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Hahaha! I'll leave it here.

Hmm. It's strange how the conversation gets dull when you get hoisted by your own petard. You're the one who started quoting obscure political figures in an attempt to sound clever, after all.

Certainly, I can do that. You said: To which I said: And you replied: It's quite clear that you are saying that it's a certainty that tyranny (bad person controlling a government) will follow from a citizen's apathy. I highlighted your comment about certainty.

I wasn't trying to look clever. You're not the only one to have heard the quote and I would have thought that the fact that I posted a rebuttal to it very quickly after you posted might just show that I had already given it some thought: that I might just have read it before. I can keep this...

You've already used that line and assumed incorrectly that I haven't been reading the thread. Do I need to have made a comment on page 3 to have an opinion on something on page 11? And you can't keep peddling that line when I'm responding specifically to the trite guff you keep saying and namely...

I don't think I'm the one looking foolish, Mr Patronising. I think you've been caught out before trying to make yourself look clever by copying and pasting dead people's quotes.

Not necessarily. Not by a long chalk. There's widespread apathy to politics in the Western world yet somehow the idea of fairness prevails. I thought it was only Marxists that believed in historical determinism.

I've always thought that Montesquie quote a load of tosh. The danger of having a bad person controlling a government is not as bad as having an individual in a fair society who can't be arsed? Nah. That first line of yours is a strawman argument too. Too busy or not interested enough to protest...

Oh my sides. You carry on matey. Whilst you're congratulating yourself on a killer bon mot the party you and I dislike intensely keeps winning votes.

If you believe that then UKIP will be around a lot longer than either of us want. It's clear that the smears, the playing on people's fears, the name-calling hasn't worked. How about treating those who voted for UKIP as grown-ups for a change and finding out what they are worried about and why...

Oh. That's pissed on my parade. Quick question - do you buy those ellipses wholesale?

What? Not even a tiresome 'haha' at the end and an obligatory edit? :down:

We know.

I'm no friend of UKIP but that's not necessarily true. Immigrants are easier to bully and force to work longer and for less money, less likely to be aware of their rights, less likely to be able to stand up for themselves. Zero hour contracts. It's the modern slavery.