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I wasn't arguing about there being a God or not, I was merely picking up on the universe having a point of creation, which we can't know whether it didn't or didn't, or what was before, or that it came from nothing. As said the universe emerging from nothing wasn't nothing, it was a singularity...

Now, this is the bit where the religious world literally jumped upon the big bang and singularity theory, because here was a concept that could easily be pointed at as 'who put it there, or who made the big bang', only this was merely a break down of our physics or best model in general...

The difference is the universe didn't create itself.

Here's a thought, what about just accepting we don't know, just like we don't know what 95% of the universe is, we don't know what dark energy is increasing the speed of the universe's expansion, we don't know what 95% of the mass of the universe is, even though we know its there, we don't know...

The late great Christopher Hitchens, genius of a man.

The big bang could be wrong, that is the beauty of science, there is great joy in proving something wrong and discovering a new theory. There is no blind faith in the big bang, it is just our best theory based on the collected data, experiments and observations to date. Not sure what data...

What clap trap. Atheists don't believe in God, but that doesn't mean at some point in the future, if some miracle should befall them, they won't accept his existence.