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Nothing whatsoever to do with character assassination. I believe that he brought the dislike on himself with his continual blaming of everybody else bar himself. I also do not think that what he achieved was at all remarkable compared to he likes of Holloway and Blackpool Every year...

I must admit I havent been to Germany many times since the 60s or indeed met many of their people but the memory lingers on.

I must have been unlucky as I was stationed in Munster for 3 years early 60s and I didnt meet 1 German who wasnt arrogant or had a chip on his shoulder. Perhaps times have changed

unlike you I have a mind of my own and an opinion.

Thus managing 2 teams to get relegated in the same season from the same division.

Typical German with a permanent chip on his shoulder as everything was always everybody else fault usually a poor ref and bad decisions never his tactics or team selection.

Irrespective I think he reaped what he sowed and I am glad that 1 relegation place is virtually taken

and the ability to spend it wisely as CH has shown

This is not about taking them up but having the knowledge and ability to keep them there.the records are littered with yo yo clubs. The point is most of our fans on here were envious of the signings that he made and set him up as an example to CH.

In the light of day that difference represents about 1 additional player each season so not lot to shout about and I havent heard any moans from Wagner about lack of funds to strengthen.

CH has done better on similar resources.

Who was behind the signings, which most of our fans envied in July.? So no sympathy whatsoever for the arrogant German.

The good thing is that he will have done enough damage already for them not to recover and avoid relegation.