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Agree totally. As I said in first post I have massive sympathy for the victims / families. It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that led to so many lives being lost (as is often the case with disasters).

Am neither ignorant or a Sun reader. Just dared to express an opinion. Stand by what i said, many liverpool fans would've been late / drunk / ticketless.

Disasters have happened at football grounds before. Like i said and i stand by what i said to 'totally exenorate' the liverpool fans of any blame is misguided. Football fans will by nature often turn up late and drunk.

Didn't say it was the 'key factor.' But thousands descending on a confined area, (I would guess) many under the influence of drink and (I would guess) some without tickets is a recipe for disaster.

Not once have i 'grizzled.' Just pointed out you resorted to personal insults......as I've seen you do on here before when other posters have disagreed with you.

Well observed, yes indeed its a chat forum.

Didn't say i did. I never said i 'blame' the Liverpool fans for what happened, i said wrong to 'totally exenorate' them. Knowing the culture of football fans (especially pre 90's one's) many would've turned up as close to kick off as they possibly could, drunk and some without tickets, wanting...

Not my decision to make.

Didn't refer to a specific individual was a general observation.

Because I live in the real world and I know that football fans will turn up drunk and as late as they can.

Remove the post indeed!! Why because on a forum I've had the 'cheek' to express an opinion?? Agree hours of evidence but are you all seriously telling me every Liverpool fan on the day turned up sober, in plenty of time for the match and with a ticket? I used the expression 'totally exenorate'...

Do explain.......

Care to elaborate in words rather than emojis?

Whilst I have massive sympathy for those who lost their lives and their loved one's, to totally exonerate Liverpool fans of any blame on the day is extremely misguided. Can they all honestly say they turned up in plenty of time for kick off, stone cold sober and all in possession of tickets...