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We will agree to disagree. Thunder Bolt is in her late sixties. I'm disinclined to believe that undergraduates had wished they had skipped uni in favour of taking her place on the payroll. From experience, degrees are worth more than she credits them with. The nature of the beast means that...

What is a lot? Depends on your agenda. A lot of Muslims would be enough to tip the balance for some people. Being privately educated doesn't make my opinion less valid though, surely? It's not healthy to write someone off as being a particular voter. I'm 34 and I've never voted for the...

That's your opinion. I read Thunder Bolt as being disparaging to a majority (in her words) of degrees. The simple fact is that employers for most industries require a degree. I'm not embarrassed, but thank you for feeling embarrassed for me.

His degree enabled him to work hard in a position to then afford to 'cheaply volunteer' for a charity.

My brother - in - law is a coastguard (now qualified to pick up the deceased from Beachy Head) Thunder Bolt - fancy telling him his degree is worthless?

That was within your post suggesting most degrees are worthless. Show me where there are shortages in manual labour and the professions suffering cut backs and I'll take your point.

She didn't mention those industries and I'm not belittling them. You are mismatching degrees to occupations. There are presumably loads of people with degrees that don't match their occupation, but I'd be willing to suggest that university students pay more tax eventually. I don't see why...

Some. A lot. Make your mind up! :)

Times change. My mother has four o - levels, but ended up in a decent career in PR for Japan Airlines and later, Kate Adie. There's more competition now and a degree shows 'greater ability' than a school leaver.

Many jobs don't need degrees, but a lot demand them. You must have been lucky as I have not met a single person whom regretted going to university and unlike you, I was in that environment.

This is incredibly boring. You are not winding me up. Carry on, if you wish.

Thunder Bolt was inferring that degrees were worthless. She then went on to mention various industries. I was simply pointing out that her world is not the real world.

Where have I professed to being a snob, Yorkie? 50% of my working career has been in low paid manual jobs. I dislike that aversion you suggested. You have completely misinterpreted and misrepresented my views. If anything, you have shown yourself to be a bigot in your posts and dismissive...

I'm not rattled in the slightest. I couldn't be less relaxed. It's half term and I'm only working for three days, although today was a challenging one.

Imagine the construction and engineering industry without further learning? Ha ha!

We're desperately short on the professions you mention? I'm sure I read that the police were making cuts for a start. They were probably doing the same job as you, but they didn't need to invest 20 odd years of service (you didn't specify). The coastguards I know, including my brother in law...

Ha. We're on to punctuation? wellquickwoody was my comma, as adding a comma would have ****ed up the tag. You don't even need to have passed your SATS to understand my post.

I never had you down as an elitist wellquickwoody only those with the ability or aptitude should pay back vast sums for the education. Whether or not you agree with the system, employers demand more from applicants. University graduates tend to show more than an 18 year old, fresh out of...

Not everyone whom takes on a debt of further education believes they deserve a top job. You are speaking for many, many thousands and ill informed on the matter.

The only nurses I know went to university. The poster in question was suggesting that all students were scroungers and tax dodgers. You do need a degree to get on the ladder. There is no denying that. Is the system broken? There are more eligible candidates than ever, so of course a...