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Oh totally, I think I phrased my response badly :thumbsup:

I kind of agree that it's quite an admirable thing they're doing in terms of rejecting alcohol / drugs etc, getting fit and all that. Representing what they feel a man should be. I can get on board with that. I can't get on board with the need for violence being intrinsically linked with...

Couldn't agree more. The problem comes when those same blokes go and do the thing that makes them happy with people who don't want to join in.

Just makes me glad we don't live in Russia. Not to say I agree with the punitive action taken against the English fans but f**k knows I'd rather not live in a country where the politicians are violent thugs instead of just posh tossers.

"hu duhh I am man and I can only be man by being violent huuu duuuuhhh"