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  1. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    While this whole "My holocaust Jew says Lineker is wrong!" "But my Holocaust Jew says Lineker is right!" thing is really exciting, it is somewhat far from the subject since this is not about the Holocaust, Linekers tweet is about the xenophobic attitude and rhetoric which eventually caused...
  2. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    I wonder why it is so difficult to understand that Gary Lineker isn't saying that what the government has done is as bad as a genocide of around 10 million people, but that the rhetorics are similar to what eventually led to millions of Germans eventually agreeing and participating in a genocide...
  3. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    A good example of the right-wing knowing it would look silly it discussed the actual topic after years of claiming that cancel culture threatens free speech, instead chosing to focus on the quality of Match of the Day and Gary Linekers wages.
  4. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Having a corporate policy saying that you through your private channels can not express political opinions is not only proper Saudi-regime-sort-of-stuff but also illegal in a lot of democratic countries (maybe not the UK as I don't know if you have laws and constitutional rights protecting your...
  5. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Quite similar to various Scandinavian public services then. With the difference that public service here are supposed to have a basic understanding and following of democratic values since it is the public service of supposedly democratic countries. If you have a public service in a democracy...
  6. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    "f*** that" is where I am. If you run a private company: fine, be the fascist **** who decides what opinions, feelings and thoughts people can and can not express. If you are publicly owned company in a democracy: sorry, you shouldn't be allowed to silence your workers, because you have a...
  7. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Standing united with your colleague over his rights to express his opinions about a government decision without getting suspended is "example of stars believing they are much more important they really..."? One could also argue it is a case of stars trying to take some responsibility for once...
  8. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Yeah I would love to see it but I think PL clubs are too big and too corporate, Brighton included, to get involved. Would be happy if they proved me wrong.
  9. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    They don't get shot down, they just can't fly.
  10. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Not seen it but would imagine he likes trains, which can certainly be seen as not only impartial (he LIKES them!) but also a criticism towards your government since they appear not to like trains. Consider him dead.
  11. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    I said "sacked or suspended". In this case he was suspended but when you can get suspended for not agreeing with your government, then the step to getting sacked is not far away. Its a quite simple free speech argument. There's no hate crime involved. There's no incitement for violence. It is...
  12. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    He is suspended. This 45 page thread is about him and his suspension.
  13. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Withdraw from what exactly? Playing? If you mean interviews, from my understanding BBC won't do any interviews with players today since some players indicated they might boycott it. Which probably comes down to them being scared of players bringing it up on the air rather than accepting that...
  14. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    You don't think it is too much to ask that people working in television should not be allowed to criticise the government without getting sacked or suspended?
  15. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Maybe something along the lines with "hang all the black people"? I'm sure he'd find that quite offensive, meaning he might say something like "no I don't like that", which is clearly not impartial and according to some in here would be a good reason to sack him.
  16. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    At what level of earnings do you lose your right to criticise a government without losing your job?
  17. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    If he agrees with that it is wrong, then he should apologise. If he doesn't agree with it, he shouldn't. As long as there's people interested in political history, how Nazi Germany came to be and the sort of tools and propaganda used to turn people into nazis, there will sometimes be references...
  18. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    To summarize very shorty what has happened: Gary Lineker has expressed personal criticism about a decision made by the UK government. Voicing his opinion has resulted in him getting suspended from appearing on state television. How can you not - regardless of political orientation - see how...
  19. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Tbf he wasn't quoting anything, he was clearly pretending it was his own words.
  20. Swansman

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    That is just not how anything works. A journo writing a column agreeing or disagreeing with you doesn't make you right or wrong. Your problem about Gary Lineker is that he doesn't agree with you and the Tories about immigration. If he had expressed positive opinions about this government...
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