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  1. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    I'm not sure there's much point in arguing over the presence (or lack) of democracy in 1930s Germany. As has been pointed out many times, Lineker was referring to similarities in the language used by the government and that used in 30s Germany. It's pretty clear that there ARE similarities...
  2. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Good question. I fear that those in denial about the use of dehumanising language are quite happy to see refugees and "foreigners" dehumanised. They can't quite accept that people fleeing persecution (in places like Afghanistan, Syria, Eritrea, Sudan, etc) are actually human beings, too. And...
  3. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    By the way, it may actually be EVEN worse than the latest update from Thunder Bolt. The Bill proposes that Unaccompanied Minors (UMs) can be detained anywhere (the Home Sec would have complete discretion) until they reach the age of 18, at which time they would be deported. Currently UMs (and...
  4. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    It's odd who reads the Mail - in our village it seems to be elderly women, many of whom are apparently lovely people. I think they possibly have a genuine fear of "brown people"...I say that, because we have around 50 Ukranians now living in the village. Genuine refugees, fleeing war. But they...
  5. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Mail Online headline 🤣 Fury at BBC for humiliating climbdown as Gary Lineker wins Twitter row: Tim Davie apologises and invites the host back to Match of the Day - and presenter celebrates with yet another tweet about migrant crisis
  6. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    One problem that Sharp now has to face is this Independent Review of social media guidelines. Because the recommendations will go to the Board. Given the furore over the past few days it seems inconceivable that we end up with Richard Sharp effectively deciding what the new rules are. Hopefully...
  7. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    If GL had agreed to abide by the BBC's interpretation of the rules, then it didn't last very long! We're having to guess, but the BBC appears to have interpreted its rules as requiring GL to "avoid taking sides on party political issues or political controversies". But Gary's third tweet this...
  8. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Just for clarity, the European Convention on Human Rights has nothing to do with the EU. The signatories of the ECHR are the 46 members of the Council of Europe, which was set up (funnily enough) by the Treaty of London just after the second world war. It's unfortunate that some (mainly Tory)...
  9. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    It's illegal. Your daughter's partner has obviously been successful in his asylum claim. He's one of the lucky ones. There are currently around 150,000 people awaiting the outcome of their claim. The backlog has got progressively larger over the past few years.....almost certainly a deliberate...
  10. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Hang on a minute....not quite sure what you mean there (so apols if I've got the wrong end of the stick) - asylum seekers in hotels are given £8 per week. The ones I speak to are desperate to work. They haven't come here to sponge off the UK. Spoke to two Afghan asylum seekers on Friday - one...
  11. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Yes, the real issue here is whether you can have an impartial BBC when so many of the people running it are very obviously partisan. Even if they try to protest their impartiality the majority of people will have their doubts...and that completely undermines trust in the BBC. The best thing...
  12. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Absolutely - without Wrighty, Shearer and the others, the BBC could have bluffed this out. Lineker would slink off, and everything would be back to normal. Another slap in the face for "woke warriors" like Lineker. BBC DG could have a nice G&T with his paymasters in the Tory party, and they...
  13. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Close to where I am, too - but from my reading of the guidelines, Lineker isn't necessarily in breach. Firstly, the generic section includes: "There are also others who are not journalists or involved in factual programming who nevertheless have an additional responsibility to the BBC because...
  14. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Apparently, if it's Andrew Neil, you are allowed to say what you like - the rules only apply to "his responsibilities for the BBC".
  15. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    I can imagine the EPL is discussing the issue this morning - would probably want to do something jointly (if anything)
  16. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    I very much doubt GL has miscalculated. It's a matter of principle. He thought it was right to call out this government's appalling policy on refugees and asylum-seekers. He was right not to cave in to the BBC DG's request to desist from such statements in the future. What has happened since is...
  17. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    And how do you suggest they apply legally?!
  18. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    I agree that BBC presenters (and other staff) need to be impartial in their work for the BBC. Independence from government is a core tenet of the BBC Charter. But this doesn't mean that presenters such as GL need to be impartial in other aspects of their life that have 0% to do with the BBC or...
  19. Jim in the West

    [Football] Gary Lineker to step back from presenting MOTD

    Incredibly wise words. Thank you.
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