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Actually, they probably are, given the apparent glacial pace of change in the rail industry. Anyway, I've wasted too long on a thread I only opened to see what was going on.

Unless workers and unions are one and the same, I'd agree with that. Frontline workers should always be fully engaged in systems implementations as they are subject matter experts with hands-on day-to-day operational knowledge and experience. Unions are not railway operations subject matter...

Whilst not justifying it, I don't think it's difficult to explain... Publicly-funded criminal barristers in the UK: c2,600 Nurses in the UK: c360,000 It's a lot cheaper to give 2.600 people a hefty rise than it is to give 360,000 people.

Indeed - it was a dreadful scandal. But, implicitly at least, the point you are making can be taken as "Here is one example of a new systems implementation which went wrong, therefore we should never undertake any more new systems implementations in case they go wrong too." Which is bizarre.

Sorry, I was merely paraphrasing @jackalbion's "if they want to start covering Sundays on the roster, they need to recruit a lot more staff". Doesn't this essentially say there aren't enough rail workers to work Sundays if overtime isn't going to be used?

Correct. But it's not even a consideration for me. I used to always travel to the Amex by train. I've not tried since we emerged from the pandemic. Reports on here describe what an utter shitshow it is match after match, so I drive. We might go to London for a couple of days before Christmas...

It feels like I'm missing something somewhere, since the story seems to be... - Sundays should be considered a regular working day and not reliant upon overtime to run services - There's not enough people to work Sundays on regular hours - There's no desire to expand the workforce ...which...

As above - not at all. I'm just saying that I don't believe Sundays should be seen as "special" in the provision of an essential public service in 2022.

Oh, I'm sure. As I say, I haven't followed this story closely at all, I was merely replying to the point about Sundays being "special". However, I certainly don't buy that reduction of overtime, in any job, represents a pay cut. In my first ever job when I came out of university, weekend...

I've got no horse in this particular race. As is the case with Royal Mail now, I assume that rail services are unreliable, and I make other arrangements. Regardless of their cause, workers at these organisations erode confidence in their ability to provide a baseline service to the extent that...