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They need to change the sentencing guidelines, then.

Maybe you know more about Scottish law than me. I've never heard of losing a civil case being a "civil conviction", but maybe so. But drunken women are real people too. I have never suggested that she isn't a real person, but on that night she was certainly a drunken woman. That's the crux...

No. It's not automatic that all drunken sex is rape. If it was, then two consenting adults could be guilty of raping each other simultaneously. She was capable of giving consent in the sense that she could say yes. Not in the legal sense of being sufficiently compos mentis to mean it.

He isn't actually a convicted rapist. A civil court verdict isn't the same as a conviction. I suspect what Badger Boy is getting at, and if he isn't I am, is that Goodwillie's crime is not of the same degree as the drag-a-girl-into-a-back-alley rape. This is a much lower level case. This was...

The drop in gates is because the Scottish government has limited Scottish gates to 500.

Fair enough. It's a legal nicety. According to all evidence of what happened in that room, she consented, but on balance of probability she was in no fit state to give legal consent. My issue isn't so much whether drunken females should be protected from predators, because of course they...

I don't doubt they are lying toerags. I don't doubt they did appalling things to the drunken woman and if ever either of them were seen near my (non-existent) daughter I would move heaven and earth to get them out of her orbit. But this wasn't a rape case where an innocent victim was dragged...

Looking at the evidence of the civil case, it's not surprising there was no prosecution. The only witnesses to what happened were the two drunk men, who both said the woman gave consent. The woman couldn't remember anything about it because she was too drunk to remember anything. The crux of...