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I did, after I had grunched...

You mention Hive twice in the post I quoted and Nest only once...

You are doing it wrong. There is an option in the Hive settings to either: 1 - have the heating start at the specified time or 2 - have the temperature reached by the time you specify. The system "learns" how long it takes your house to heat and will start accordingly if you choose option 2...

I have a Hive thermostat (2 actually as I have dual zone heating) plus a number of bulbs and sockets which control my lights etc. and 3 outdoor cameras. I have a few lamps dotted around my downstairs and they are grouped together and all come on at dusk and go off at a time just after I am in...