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People keep saying this is the official FA-approved England song but is this the case? I haven't seen an any comment from the FA suggesting that it is. Edit- just read an NME article that states it's the "official" song and it's been added to the wiki page of official songs, not that that means...

My main issue with M1llionz, having not heard him before, is his silly squeaky voice. Quite enjoyed the rest though. Check the account, see the amount, then they think man a mason them man aren’t Shaw, mans telling them call up the young g’s, you know what it is when i’m bellin’ ‘em

Sweet Mar-see -uh doesn't have the same ring to it. Perhaps his wife's name is pronounced Mar-shuh

Most modern pop is absolute filth in terms of the lyrics and videos. I know this as I have to screen songs requested by students. Enough to make the Marquis de Sade blush in some cases.

Like I said earlier in the thread, if you want a stick to beat the FA with, taking the misogyny angle makes more sense.

Clearly, you can't or won't see the difference between a black man using the word and a white man doing so. And you accuse others of being zealots :mad:

It seems to be an "if they can say it, why can't I?" situation.

Where and how a word is used makes a difference. Me saying "**** off, ref" in a football stadium is no big deal (though it might draw disapproving looks in the Family Stand). Whereas if I said "**** off, Sergio" to a 9-year-old in a classroom, I'd have made a bit of a faux pas. This is...

Plenty of rappers stateside get by without it just fine. The more conscious lyricists tend to shun it, as do the non-African Americans, generally. You might want to listen to some Snoop and NWA again (emphasis on the N). The latter even had a track that explained why they use the word.

The teacher didn't need to say it. He was well-intentioned, perhaps, but misguided. K&K's usage is more complicated imo. I don't feel it's my place to judge. I understand what gave rise to the reappropriation in the US (presumably, you are too) but am also sympathetic to those that call for it...

With any word, I'd say the level offensiveness depends on a variety of factors. Context, co-text, the speaker, the listeners, to name a few. I'm sure you'd agree that a woman calling a female friend a bitch in a jokey way is a little different from man calling a woman a stupid bitch.

I think you're missing quite a lot.

I'm sorry, but are you saying that there are racist overtones when the artists in question use the word? I'm not entirely comfortable with it either but it's not my place to start policing its use. The fact that it is used so liberally in music is why my students in Spain and elsewhere feel it's...

Of course. For others it'll be big news for some reason :)

No, the fact that some.of their songs have some questionable lyrical content is a bit of a non-story.

One which is of no importance or interest.

It's a non-story that'll be lapped up in certain quarters but met with indifferent shrugs elsewhere.

A teacher needlessly using the word in question in a lesson is different from its use in a song by two young black men. One could argue that it's not acceptable in either case but it's disingenuous to claim not to see a contextual difference. As a teacher in Spain, I've had to deal with...

You really do struggle with context, don't you? I haven't read the full article due to the paywall but why did this teacher not just explain the correct pronunciation?