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Indeed, and if a religion is so extreme that it is almost impossible, or certainly very dangerous to actually walk away from, it is not one that should be allowed any influence in our secular society

On the contrary, initial reports were that one had survived, would have been good to prosecute through the legal system and leave them to rot in jail for the rest of their lives. They want martyrdom and the 80 virgins in paradise. Give them 50 years in a maximum security jail to reflect on the...

Yes totally agree. Hardly the sign of a modern progressive inclusive society when education is based on imaginary friends that there is no scientific evidence for. A massive step backwards.

It was fortunate that they chose to make their attack in a city and area that is saturated with armed police and anti-terrorist officers. If an act happened somewhere like Tunbridge Wells where I live, or Crowborough where i was brought up, or indeed any small/medium sized town around the...

body with cannisters on, looks like they were shot before they had a chance to detonate whatever they had strapped to them. Too early to tell, but if that's the case, could have been a lot worse

Yes. I hope when Sussex Nomad rereads this tomorrow he will regret most of what he has posted tonight

I can guarantee that 100% of Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Jews, Buddhists etc will be appalled by these attacks. Even if 99% of Muslims are appalled, that still leaves approximately 28000 who aren't. A real 5th column that need ruthlessly to be weeded out. Not an easy task.

As I said, it's not like they haven't been trying, plenty of plots have been foiled. As someone posted earlier, perhaps desperation, easy to drive a car/van/lorry into pedestrians. You don't need any planning for that, just a sick and twisted mind/ideology

I think we knew we have been lucky, and fortunate that we have a decent intelligence service. It certainly wasn't for lack of trying by potential terrorists. I don't see any conspiracy. This just feels like we are under siege, we can get attacked anytime and anywhere