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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    Thanks for the reminder and apologies for the contribution my debating with one or two posters has made to this. As someone who has experienced the negative effects of organised religion in my own life I just find the harm that religious ideology causes utterly abhorrent and I've let that get...
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    I am absolutely not judging it on the OT. I am just pointing that Christians accept the whole of the Bible canon as part of their holy book. The God of the OT is the same God that is represented by Jesus in the NT. If you check the conversation I have been having on in the subject you will...
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    I'm not defending either. Frankly it's all a bunch of superstitious nonsense as far as I am concerned. You claimed Jesus' message was different and I would agree the overall message of the NT is not the same as the OT (although as I say, Paul managed to create a bunch of intolerant morals out...
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    Not really. He apparently idly sat back whilst his father (or other part of him depending on your view of the Trinity) threw fire and brimstone on two whole cities, had the ground swallow up thousands of apostates against Moses, killed 72,000 (I think) people because King David had the temerity...
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    The problem here is two fold. Firstly, as pointed out by another poster, Islam lacks a handful of influential leaders with global reach. Secondly, and more critically I think, there is still an essentially "cult" culture at ground level. I mean this in the sense that there is immense social...
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    This of course is true however that still doesn't prevent the majority of Muslims in this country from seeking reform and progression. Something has to change and simply throwing the burden onto Western governments and us all in terms of some kind of generic "western" culture does nothing to...
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    I hope you don't mean the Creationist Museum or the big Noah's Ark theme park... Seriously however I didn't mean to imply that modern day Christians are anti-science or obstructive of scientific progress, more that when you look at major aspects of early modern scientific understanding (e.g...
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    This is exactly what the moderate Muslim majority should be embracing... http://www.centerforinquiry.net/secularislam/articles_and_books/a_call_to_the_muslims_of_the_world/
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    True however the Bible has become essentially an impotent irrelevance for most since there was a critical mass of simply ignoring the stone age bits. There is no reason why those who claim a moderate view of the world back that up with actions and chuck out the stone age bits of the Koran...
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    To be fair neither has Christianity. Most of the advances in scientific knowledge have been made despite religious faith not because of it.
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    Breaking news: Reports of explosion in Manchester

    I have no doubt that few of the Muslims that live in the UK are willing let alone capable of perpetrating such heinous crimes however there is the inescapable fact that Islam, like many forms of Christianity in times past, creates a difference between the believer and non-believer. Tolerance is...
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