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  1. Kalimantan Gull

    Is Democracy Obsolete?

    "This issue is that it is never acceptable to question it's efficiency, nor to allow people to make a profit. By this I mean that Labour/Left wingers appear to be happier to pay more for an inferior service. If something can be privatised and deliver a better service to the NHS for less money...
  2. Kalimantan Gull

    Is Democracy Obsolete?

    I agree with a lot of this, I'm sure we will disagree on what do do with the NHS but the tenet of your post is spot on. What I find most interesting is the rise of Trump as a solution to this? Here is a man who has already proved to be highly deceitful in his short time in power, wss exposed as...
  3. Kalimantan Gull

    Is Democracy Obsolete?

    Is also very true
  4. Kalimantan Gull

    Is Democracy Obsolete?

    I believe I did understand the issues well, and did manage to sway several voters with reasoned thought-out arguments. The ones I didn't sway had reasoned well-thought out arguments of their own. But most votes in the referendum, on both sides, were won on slogans and fear-mongering and...
  5. Kalimantan Gull

    Is Democracy Obsolete?

    No, come on, don't be disingenuous, this is a perfectly reasonable debate going on so far. You voted that way, sure, many voted just like I said. As for me, I voted to stay in primarily for environmental reasons, but many probably voted for the reasons McTavish says below. Which was also...
  6. Kalimantan Gull

    Is Democracy Obsolete?

    Well: "The population of the country democratically voted in said referendum and took a decision" - I argue that the people of the country voted to either (i) give £350m a week to the NHS, and/or (ii) make all the immigrants leave. I don't mind the people doing that, but those things were (i)...
  7. Kalimantan Gull

    Is Democracy Obsolete?

    For democracy to work relies on the voters to be properly aware of the issues they are voting on. That requires independent reasoning of the pros and cons and how that affects them specifically. The world we have is full of vested interests trying to convince people to vote one way or another...
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