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also, poyet more or less said that the players who have been here a while have proved they aren't good enough to get us out of this league. el-abd is one exception, wonder if Virgo is another

No surprises there. They say "no smoke without fire", and so i guess there's a bit of truth in the rumours that he's frequently pissed up in the broadway in HH giving it 'large' and slagging off the management.