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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...



Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Esther McVey is going full loopy today, by banning rainbow lanyards for civil servants and saying they will have to wear uniform lanyards (mine used to be BHAFC) and she doesn't want foreign students coming to British universities (their fees keep the unis open)
 




Since1982

Well-known member
Sep 30, 2006
1,505
Burgess Hill
This stuff amazes me:

The “15-minute city” is an urban planning concept that focuses on placing local amenities within about a 15-minute walk of people’s homes. It is designed to make urban areas more pleasant places to live. A conspiracy theory has grown up around it that claims it is actually an attempt to restrict people’s freedoms – locking them into areas around their homes and preventing them travelling freely beyond.

With absolutely zero due respect to the people who buy into this nonsense - how? How on earth do you think this is a) plausible and / or b) enforceable?

Oh sure, we don't have enough police officers to respond to crimes in timely fashion but somehow they're going to be, what?, stationed at a 15 minute border to stop people from leaving?

It's f***ing mind-boggling to me that people believe this bollocks.

/endrant.
There is a particularly lunatic FB group in Burgess Hill which was originally set up to save a mini roundabout (I kid you not) but which has morphed into a generally right wing / pro conspiracy cess pit in which local councillors are threatened (two have had to resign and the police are involved) and 15 minute cities are regularly touted as extreme anti democracy/ anti car measures along with ULEZ (hardly an issue in Mid Sussex). There is no point in trying to have a reasonable fact based discussion, you'll be abused and eventually banned. In reality it's a very small group of people but it's scary how deep their ill informed prejudices run.
 


schmunk

"Members"
Jan 19, 2018
9,602
Mid mid mid Sussex
There is a particularly lunatic FB group in Burgess Hill which was originally set up to save a mini roundabout (I kid you not) but which has morphed into a generally right wing / pro conspiracy cess pit in which local councillors are threatened (two have had to resign and the police are involved) and 15 minute cities are regularly touted as extreme anti democracy/ anti car measures along with ULEZ (hardly an issue in Mid Sussex). There is no point in trying to have a reasonable fact based discussion, you'll be abused and eventually banned. In reality it's a very small group of people but it's scary how deep their ill informed prejudices run.
Ooh, ooh, what is it?
 


Scappa

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2017
1,394
Esther McVey is going full loopy today, by banning rainbow lanyards for civil servants and saying they will have to wear uniform lanyards (mine used to be BHAFC) and she doesn't want foreign students coming to British universities (their fees keep the unis open)
But evidently it's fine to elevate Russian mates of de Pfeffel to the House of Lords
 


Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
16,781
Fiveways
Their problem is that they follow the US Republican Party playbook and that party was a busted flush and hollowed out by the Tea Party / MAGA / Christian Right lunatics some time ago.

There is no longer any kind of respectable political / economic theory coming from the right. They have had every opportunity to test their theories in real life over coming up for half a century and they just don't work. There is no trickle down effect. Low taxes do not produce growth that lifts all boats. Small Government does not save money. Society is not more equal. Individuals are not more free. It was all wrong. It all failed for all except the richest who were responsible for pushing it in the first place. All they have left is to hang on to electoral power and they have fearmongering about nonsense as their only tactic left to do that, or bypassing electoral power totally which is the step they seem to have been attempting.
Precisely. We've had 45 years of the neoliberal experiment subjected upon us and, lo and behold, it's been awful for the majority. Yet some still think it's the way to organise an economy, and then there are others that really enjoy the mobilisation of hate against all sorts of minorities and marginalised groups that has become so prominent since the onward march of neoliberal logic has been on the wane.
 




Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
15,038
The Conservative Party is now 100% the tinfoil hat party. The Liberal Democrats are shaping up to be the official opposition at this rate. They’d be an improvement.

Edit: it is incredible to me that an incumbent governing party has chosen to be the party of conspiracy theory and deliberate untruth DESPITE HAVING BEEN IN POWER FOR NEARLY FIFTEEN YEARS.

How does it feel this helps it?
To be fair that's what Lee Anderson said/predicted last year (he probably wasn't supposed to be so honest) when they said the party (his at the time) would have to concentrate on culture wars because, post-Brexit, they had naff all left to cling onto.

Twats.
 


Machiavelli

Well-known member
Oct 11, 2013
16,781
Fiveways
It really does feel at times like the Tories behaving like the opposition. Sunak is doing trying to pretend that everything before 22nd October 2022 was nothing to do with him, utterly bizarre
Not quite that bizarre though when you realise the record prior to Oct 22
 






Peteinblack

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jun 3, 2004
3,669
Bath, Somerset.
Esther McVey is going full loopy today, by banning rainbow lanyards for civil servants and saying they will have to wear uniform lanyards (mine used to be BHAFC) and she doesn't want foreign students coming to British universities (their fees keep the unis open)
I thought the Conservatives were opposed to banning things, because that's 'cancel culture' and denial of free-speech :shrug:
 




A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
18,277
Deepest, darkest Sussex
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,404
Their problem is that they follow the US Republican Party playbook and that party was a busted flush and hollowed out by the Tea Party / MAGA / Christian Right lunatics some time ago.

There is no longer any kind of respectable political / economic theory coming from the right. They have had every opportunity to test their theories in real life over coming up for half a century and they just don't work. There is no trickle down effect. Low taxes do not produce growth that lifts all boats. Small Government does not save money. Society is not more equal. Individuals are not more free. It was all wrong. It all failed for all except the richest who were responsible for pushing it in the first place. All they have left is to hang on to electoral power and they have fearmongering about nonsense as their only tactic left to do that, or bypassing electoral power totally which is the step they seem to have been attempting.
funny though quite a few on the right have been saying Conservatives have failed because they haven't done these things. taxes have gone up, spending and government is ever increasing. after some crowing that Blair's New Labour had to adopt Thatherite policies, they now complain Tories adopted Blair policies. the richest that get so much attention are because of the same monety policies followed on both sides of Atlantic, make credit cheap and asset values inflate.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat








Randy McNob

Now go home and get your f#cking Shinebox
Jun 13, 2020
4,518
Hear the Tories are u-turning on criminalising homelessness. Well for one, it's a little too late for that now, and secondly, I forgot they were trying to do that. Don't care if they're u-turning, that's disgusting to think they even thought to do that to people. Utter ****s.
You mean another headline grabbing gimmick is canned, until the next one
 


TomandJerry

Well-known member
Oct 1, 2013
11,778
The cornerstone of Rishi Sunak’s Rwanda deportation policy should not apply in Northern Ireland because it undermines human rights protections guaranteed in the region under post-Brexit arrangements, a high court judge has ruled.

Parts of the UK’s Illegal Migration Act were also incompatible with the European convention on human rights (ECHR), Mr Justice Humphreys said.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Step by stealthy step, like boiling a frog.

First of all, they label the state pension a benefit, then the freeze the tax threshold, reduce the NI payments, then have the right to examine bank accounts of benefit claimants (including pensioners) and now, discussing the idea of means testing the state pension.
It is already the lowest in Europe, below the living wage, and any care has to be paid for.

 


MJsGhost

Oooh Matron, I'm an
NSC Patron
Jun 26, 2009
4,597
East
Step by stealthy step, like boiling a frog.

First of all, they label the state pension a benefit, then the freeze the tax threshold, reduce the NI payments, then have the right to examine bank accounts of benefit claimants (including pensioners) and now, discussing the idea of means testing the state pension.
It is already the lowest in Europe, below the living wage, and any care has to be paid for.


Surely means testing the pension is actually a progressive measure?

Any pensioners struggling are presumably not those who would not qualify for a means-tested pension?

IMO something like this needed but I never thought the Tories would want to put their name to it. Wealthy pensioners aren't their usual target when it comes to cutting spending.
 


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