The antisemitism spreading across US colleges is truly shocking to me. This isn’t Trump instigating, it’s the future of the Democrat party. Sick.
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aolstudios
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Absolutely chilling
With Jewish Voice for Peace being amongst the organisers of the protests your use of antisemitism is highly questionable.
It would be hard to believe Trump could have offered more support to Netanyahu or sent more bombs to kill and displace civilians than Biden has.
Weird election coming up though.
Vote Trump for the death of Ukraine and Palestinians.
Vote Biden for the death of Palestinians.
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And of course there are no Jewish students openly supporting Netanyahu and his questionable execution of the war on Hamas and innocent Palestinians.
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Sky News verifies mass graves around hospital site and the IDF admits to digging up Palestinian bodies: "The examination was carried out respectfully while maintaining the dignity of the deceased," the IDF said. "Bodies examined, which did not belong to Israeli hostages, were returned to their place."
But satellite imagery and footage uploaded to social media verified by Sky News shows extensive damage to the sites. Bulldozer tracks were left among the graves.
news.sky.com
So for ‘balance’ - have been shocking reports of Islamophobia throughout the university system too -
pen.org
Yet islamophobia is often not accorded the same response, as one College department at MIT wrote: “MIT has deprioritized the fight against islamophobia on campus — leaving Muslim, Arab, and Palestinian students subject to continued public harassment, doxxing, and even physical assault,” the group wrote. Meanwhile, a spike in antisemitism on campus has been the subject of two congressional hearings.“
The truth is, discrimination in the form of antisemitism and islamophobia has increased exponentially on college campuses in the States since 7/10 and it’s disingenuous to highlight just one over the other to try and make a political point imo.
thehill.com
But satellite imagery and footage uploaded to social media verified by Sky News shows extensive damage to the sites. Bulldozer tracks were left among the graves.
Israel bulldozed mass graves at Gaza hospital, Sky News analysis shows
Analysis of satellite imagery and social media shows how Palestinians buried their dead in mass graves during Israel's siege of Nasser hospital, and how the IDF bulldozed these graves after it took over.
news.sky.com
That ’report’ quoted is by a Jewish organisation that has spoken out against antisemitism for decades but more recently has been criticised as having a pro-Zionist agenda (one Trump has shared with Netanyahu) including by members of its own staff - it is unlikely to be unbiased reporting (ie reporting that also acknowledges an exponential rise in Islamophobia in campuses across America too.
So for ‘balance’ - have been shocking reports of Islamophobia throughout the university system too -
Free expression resources for rising anti-Muslim incidents on colleges
A wave of anti-Muslim rhetoric, harassment, threats, vandalism and violence has rocked campuses across the U.S. as the Israel-Hamas war escalates.
pen.org
Yet islamophobia is often not accorded the same response, as one College department at MIT wrote: “MIT has deprioritized the fight against islamophobia on campus — leaving Muslim, Arab, and Palestinian students subject to continued public harassment, doxxing, and even physical assault,” the group wrote. Meanwhile, a spike in antisemitism on campus has been the subject of two congressional hearings.“
The truth is, discrimination in the form of antisemitism and islamophobia has increased exponentially on college campuses in the States since 7/10 and it’s disingenuous to highlight just one over the other to try and make a political point imo.
Fears rise on campuses after attack on Palestinian college students
Fear among Muslim and pro-Palestinian college students is rising after the weekend’s attack on three Palestinian 20-year-olds in Vermont. Universities have been a breeding ground of controver…
thehill.com
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aolstudios
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'Jewish' voice for Peace is Antisemitic. Every time it speaks. That's what it's for.
Much like its sister, 'Jewish voice for Labour' was in the words of Jon Lansman of all people, "created specifically & only to deflect from claims of antisemitism by the Corbyn administration"
Have you read 1984?
nicko31
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Don't forget your buddy Trump just a few weeks ago claimed Jewish people who vote for Democrats “hate Israel” and “hate their religion". The bloke has plenty of form in this area
aolstudios
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Yep
I posted Monday lunchtime - and the BBC/Sky et al finally caught up by Tuesday evening. I wouldn't go as far to say that they're purposefully biased, more scared of even attempting to be 'even-handed' in their presentation of events from Israel/Gaza and the occupied territories.
ADL is a sham of an organisation that serves to prop up the interests of Israel and delegitimize Palestinian rights through a combination of political financing and wielding anti-semetic smears.
Detailed history here
Kudos to those protesting on American campuses. Reminiscent of the Vietnam protests.
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Please stop this arguing over antisemitism - it’s really distateful.
Antisemitism and Islamophobic attacks have risen, not only on every university campus in the US but worldwide since 7/10 as verified by independent policing stats - it doesn’t matter who reports incidences of antisemitism or Islamophobia other than both get labelled accurately and both get reported as such. It also matters that both Jews and Muslims are given equal treatment under the laws of discrimination and freedom of speech (which at the moment appears questionable)
Yes, the Adl is biased, it is known for its anti-zionist views as I said above, as are some of the sources reporting Islamophobic attacks biased and are pro-Islam, some sources have left wing or have a right wing agenda in their reporting - however, many incidences of discrimination don’t get reported to neutral organisations in the first place but to groups that can support the victims and to a culturally sensitive group the victims are comfortable with, so it is not surprising the sources of reports are often special interest.
The bias or non-bias nature of the sources, does not make any discrimination or racial attacks on anyone ok so please stop highlighting incidences of antisemitism or any other form of racial hatred on this thread just to score points - know there are a growing number of Arab/Muslims and Jews who are victims of some shocking incidences of racial hatred in Westernised societies and it’s largely down to ignorance of the issues and the people involved that it is so rife at all.
Antisemitism and Islamophobic attacks have risen, not only on every university campus in the US but worldwide since 7/10 as verified by independent policing stats - it doesn’t matter who reports incidences of antisemitism or Islamophobia other than both get labelled accurately and both get reported as such. It also matters that both Jews and Muslims are given equal treatment under the laws of discrimination and freedom of speech (which at the moment appears questionable)
Yes, the Adl is biased, it is known for its anti-zionist views as I said above, as are some of the sources reporting Islamophobic attacks biased and are pro-Islam, some sources have left wing or have a right wing agenda in their reporting - however, many incidences of discrimination don’t get reported to neutral organisations in the first place but to groups that can support the victims and to a culturally sensitive group the victims are comfortable with, so it is not surprising the sources of reports are often special interest.
The bias or non-bias nature of the sources, does not make any discrimination or racial attacks on anyone ok so please stop highlighting incidences of antisemitism or any other form of racial hatred on this thread just to score points - know there are a growing number of Arab/Muslims and Jews who are victims of some shocking incidences of racial hatred in Westernised societies and it’s largely down to ignorance of the issues and the people involved that it is so rife at all.
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Debating the use/misuse of anti-semitism as a political weapon is extremely valid especially when it is frequently being used as a powerful tool to drown out legitimate critiques of Israel. It was used effectively against the Labour left over the years and now during this "conflict"
Pro-Israeli / Zionist groups are labelling the protests as a whole protest movement as anti-semitic in order to shut them down. As repeated many times on this thread, there are many Jews and Jewish groups involved in these protests (not that have any obligation to take part).
That is a completely different debate to the question of whether or not anti-Semitic or islamaphobic incidents have risen (don't think many are disputing there is sadly an increase).
Spot on.
Critical of Israel = anti-semite. It's the way that the extreme right wing State of Israel likes to play it. And both our politicians and those in the US just go along with it. It's so important that everybody understands that to criticise the genocide of women and children by the Israeli state does NOT an anti-semite make.
aolstudios
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Is anyone suggesting that simple criticism of the Israeli state is?
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As you well know because you have followed this thread from the start, I have raised the issue of the weaponisation of antisemitism myself repeatedly, in fact was I was the one of the first that introduced it to the thread discussion originally in arguing with our Jewish Councillor - so simply repeating those same arguments back at me to make a point is a little disingenuous and creating a straw argument. Of course antisemitism has been weaponised and of course criticism of Netanyahu is not being antisemitic - whether that extends to criticism against Israel as a whole is debatable and on this thread ‘Jews’ and ‘Israelis’ have been frequently stereotyped as aligned with Netanyahu’s political views as have Palestinians with terrorists.
I am just asking us to stop arguing over what it means to be antisemitic or over sources reporting antisemitism or islamophobia (because all sources carry some form of bias - not least a Western cultural bias in the MSM as a whole). Is it not enough just to be aware of the bias of each source and accept it for what it is because we keep going round in circles with it every time? - @aolstudios just posted an X from a well known Jewish writer who again is very biased but I chose to let it go because why keep going on about it? The same few posters post incidents of antisemitism or another of islamophobia then someone else accuses the other side of posting biased sources or weaponising antisemitism - it goes on ad infinitum and just leads to mud slinging or arguments then everyone else literally turning off from following the thread because it becomes the same few people arguing their very biased and polarised corners.
Personally, I’m interested in what unites all of us, the horror of the humanitarian crisis in Gaza and now rapidly evolving in the West Bank - also following events that could push this conflict into a wider regional war.
I have been a victim of antisemitism- I grew up with it - but I have also personally witnessed deep hatred and mistrust expressed by Jewish people against Palestinians too - by my own relatives even. I don’t think people bandying backwards and forwards over this on a football forum trying to score points over each other know how distressing it is to actually be at the receiving end of racial hatred nor do I believe people that have no direct irl engagement with the issues just arguing about it on the internet understand the complexities that inform peoples racist and cultural hatred.
I just think we can progress much further in understanding of the issues if we stop polarising everything that’s all.
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Sorry to hear of your experiences with anti-semitism.
I agree with nearly all of that post but would still suggest that arguing over what it means to be anti-semitic is a very valid and important element of the debate. Some posters on here use the term liberally and its valid for others to call it out. It devalues the meaning of the word when used in certain ways. Something you have pointed out yourself.
In a more significant context than a football forum - its a definition that is used as a distraction / stifle political debate or in an attempt to silence protest against what we both agree is a horrific situation.
Like you I would prefer the focus to be on a ceasefire and a viable way long term peaceful path for both sides where Israelis are safe and Palestinians are free from occupation/oppression.
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Meanwhile the IDF is poised to take Rafah - a very significant development - a proposal that been subject to widespread condemnation for weeks
news.sky.com
www.jpost.com
Middle East latest: IDF 'poised to take Rafah' - as Israel strikes '40 Hezbollah targets'
Joe Biden has signed a $95bn security package after months of delays - including around $26bn for Israel. A US envoy has said Israel must do everything possible to avoid famine in Gaza. Listen to a Daily podcast on how the conflict is worsening Yemen's humanitarian crisis as you scroll.
news.sky.com
IDF ready for Rafah operation, just waiting for green-light from gov't - report
The IDF announced on Wednesday morning that it recruited two reserve brigades to continue the defense and attack mission in the Gaza Strip under the command of Division 99.
www.jpost.com
Absolute bollocks anti Zionism is not anti Semitic.
Yawn.From the numerous Israelis that I have met on 8 trekking trips to Nepal only those on the left can I count as friends.
Your random 1984 question is lacking momentum as Corbyn was not controlling the masses.
Your support for a far right government killing and starving thousands is very disturbing. Are you Joe Biden in disguise?