You will - but you wouldn't get goals ruled out for such ridiculously slim margins as we did yesterday. The attacker would definitely have been gaining an advantage even if there was a dispute over the last inch or two. If people still want to argue about that, let them. It doesn't really matter - we just need an interpretation of offside that reflects the original intention.
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[Football] FA Cup semi finals
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Wow I’m definitely going to believe some mobile phone footage which doesn’t show what’s needed over the HD TV cameras
um bongo molongo
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My solution: Lino gives the decision as they did before VAR. VAR checks it using the video replay and the naked eye - no lines. If the decision is clearly and obviously wrong to the naked eye they overturn it, otherwise the on field decision stands. No lines and false accuracy.
GloryDays
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Oh, I see. I just knew. Or I was utterly convinced I knew. Which turned out to be proved right.
It's worth bearing in mind that the degree of uncertainty in the Hawkeye system used to predict LBW decisions is significantly less than the margin used for umpires call.
That is to say, while the threshold to overturn a decision is half a ball width, the actual uncertainty is only a few mm.
I think that perception that it's being moaned at more by players is probably influenced by Stokes mentioning it in the last series. It crops up now and again, but the amount of moaning is much less than there would be if people were being given out LBW on the basis of a ball that's shown to be just shaving the stumps (the equivalent of yesterday's decision).
I gather they're not including a sensible margin of error when they're going to semi-automatic offsides next season, and also aren't going to bother including a sensor in the ball to accurately determine the time the ball's kicked, so none of this is going to be satisfactorily resolved.
GrizzlingGammon
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Depends when the VAR stop the video. One frame back and he is probably onside.
Do they freeze the frame at point of contact with the ball or when it leaves the foot of the player passing the ball. Unless they are recording at 900fps, there will be too much error to call these close decisions.
Tony’s algo looks at everyone
Correct within the confines of how VAR is currently applied………it’s not 100% certain that he was offside due to the limitations expressed multiple times about point of impact/ball leaving his foot etc.
BN41Albion
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- Oct 1, 2017
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You can clearly see there that the United player's arm is out infront of the front of his boot. Its too marginal either way but an even bigger kick in the teeth that it's more than likely not even offside
BN41Albion
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No-one wanted var ffs. Not in this form. Look at the imagine on this thread. Its likely not even offside considering the line is drawn from the United player's foot and his arm is infront of his foot.
I really cannot believe any football fan is arguing for the use of VAR by now.
Arthritic Toe
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There was a huge clamouring for VAR by TV pundits, 'wronged' managers, 'wronged' fans - none of whom actually thought it through. So we've got what 'we' asked for. Hope everyone's happy.
BN41Albion
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Why are you being such an arse about this? I'm really struggling to understand the point you're trying to make and why you're being so righteous?
BN41Albion
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Oh, well I stand corrected on that point
Nobby Cybergoat
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Yeh, you're talking bollocks mate. Only a small percentage of match going fans ever wanted this
It strikes me that you’re arguing that fans who didn’t get the result they wanted were wrong because you didn’t get the result you wanted. Which is an interesting viewpoint.
Nigella's Cream Pie
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You cannot be offside by less than a few inches, the thickness of the lines drawn - if they overlap, it's onside
No they didn't, polls at the time showed the majority wanted VAR in place
I concur.
But the question was around if he was offside.
I'm in the bin it camp