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Peteinblack

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It's the second policy Sunk has stolen from Labour, the other being the non-dom tax status changes. It IS electioneering because he's trying to stop Labour having a manifesto by plundering anything they declare.
In that case, I hope Labour pledge to renationalise the water industry and railways, reverse creeping privatisation of the NHS, and do more to clamp-down on tax-evasion :thumbsup:
 




A1X

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I'd like to see a ban on MPs receiving donations and sponsorship from corporations - I wonder how many MPs who voted against the ban last night are sponsored or wined-and-dined by tobacco companies? It's a recipe for corruption and conflicts of interest.

https://tobaccotactics.org/.../tobacco-industry.../
https://inews.co.uk/.../british-mps-tobacco-firms-2787523
https://www.scotsman.com/.../tories-linked-to-tobacco...
I saw a suggestion online the other day that they all ought to wear their sponsors on their suits like snooker players do, so we all know who it is they're speaking on behalf of when they stand in the Commons, and it's honestly one of the best suggestions I've heard in ages
 


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Harry Wilson's Tackle
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Oct 8, 2003
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When you look at who opposes it, and the fact they're basically all funded by the tobacco companies, then that rather makes my mind up for me

I also don't buy the "libertarian" arguments made unless they're also willing to decriminalise all other drugs too
This.
 


CheeseRolls

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As an avowed anti smoker I would just like to say.

We won you lost just get over it.

I am not entirely sure what it is we have won and the main impact may just be to piss off a few types I really dislike - Hurray

Now how do we manage the next couple of decades until this marvellous change has its full benefit? We just need to find our anti smoking guru. Is David Davis interested? Anything else is minor detail suck it up losers.
 










schmunk

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This kind of bullshit should be banned IMMEDIATELY.

[...various cartoony packaged, fruity flavoured vape liquids...]
Absolutely this. Vaping is supposed to be an anti-smoking tool, not a lifestyle choice (and especially not one "implicitely" marketed at youths).

Flavoured tobacco was banned a few years ago. Flavoured vapes should be too.
 




Chicken Run

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Cool, another poor person tax!
Sorry but i just want to discourage people sat in their homes all day drinking cheap booze and the likelihood if their in a relationship abusing their partners and inevitably wasting Police resource who have to come round and deal with the mess, it’ll be tough to start with but eventually society will be much the better for less boozing.
 


Uncle Spielberg

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Against the ban
 


Guinness Boy

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Sorry but i just want to discourage people sat in their homes all day drinking cheap booze and the likelihood if their in a relationship abusing their partners and inevitably wasting Police resource who have to come round and deal with the mess, it’ll be tough to start with but eventually society will be much the better for less boozing.
Would wipe out half the shops in Boundary Road, but I'm sure there are some Turkish Barbers waiting in the wings just in case.
 




dejavuatbtn

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Aug 4, 2010
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Henfield
They would do better to control illegal vapes and selling them to kids. I would have put vapes in the same category as tobacco and raised the age to 18. It’s another form of tax income that will now have to be spread across everyone. On top of this I can see people looking for substitutes - illegal drugs etc.
I don’t smoke any more but do have a problem with a continual reduction in civil liberties. It will be alcohol next, then a limit on what sort of personal transport you have, what type of house you have and whether or not you can own it. Bloody hell, they’ll be putting a ban on bottle tops, flasks and eating your own food before long. (Oh shit, someone’s already thought of that).
 


marcos3263

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Oct 29, 2009
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I've never smoked, Mrs Casper now vapes and junior is 10 so I hope to god he doesn't. I think tobacco should just be banned full stop. yes it will still get in on black market but it will restrict it for the vast majority. A knock on will be the reduction in weed consumption (I am aware it can be smoked in pipes and bongs but not as easy in a car/bus shelter etc)

I also think drink should be prohibitively expensive at home to encourage people to go to pubs, clubs, cafes, etc. (reduce the cost in venues) this is more social, can be policed better by staff and landlord and may stop or slow down drink related health issues. This might help with loneliness, communities and such.
 


scooter1

How soon is now?
Was discussing this yesterday with my 15 yo son. I know the line has to be drawn somewhere, but we agreed that it was odd that when 18, should he decide to start smoking he could, and then could for the rest of his life. But his mate who is 5 days younger will never legally be allowed to smoke.
As an ex-smoker, and anti-smoker I still think the choice should be with the individual. Smoking will always be around, either under or over ground...
 




CheeseRolls

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Sorry but i just want to discourage people sat in their homes all day drinking cheap booze and the likelihood if their in a relationship abusing their partners and inevitably wasting Police resource who have to come round and deal with the mess, it’ll be tough to start with but eventually society will be much the better for less boozing.
Why don't you bugger off and live in Sweden then?

To be honest I have asked myself this a few times, as I do have a liking for all the Scandic countries. Swedes or at least the ones I have had sensible conversations with, seem to be supportive of their alcohol restrictions (although things do get a little lively around mid summer). Supermarkets can only sell beer below 3.5%. Stronger alcohol is only available via systembolaget, which is government owned.
 




Chicken Run

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Why don't you bugger off and live in Sweden then?

To be honest I have asked myself this a few times, as I do have a liking for all the Scandic countries. Swedes or at least the ones I have had sensible conversations with, seem to be supportive of their alcohol restrictions (although things do get a little lively around mid summer). Supermarkets can only sell beer below 3.5%. Stronger alcohol is only available via systembolaget, which is government owned.
In 2022/23, there were an estimated 384,000 incidents of violent crime where the victim believed the offender(s) to be under the influence of alcohol. The victim believed the offender(s) to be under the influence of alcohol in 38% of all violent incidents.

Imagine a society where this didn’t happen
 


Justice

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Jun 21, 2012
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Absolutely this. Vaping is supposed to be an anti-smoking tool, not a lifestyle choice (and especially not one "implicitely" marketed at youths).

Flavoured tobacco was banned a few years ago. Flavoured vapes should be too.
Every newsagent on the high st sells flavoured tobacco it’s rebranded as heated tobacco.
 








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