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[Football] Not good enough
- Thread starter NorthstandRacoon
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Why I mentioned maybe he left because not doing a great job. But if he left in like someone posted August then when can we stop blaming him
It is certainly an interesting correlation that our medical team depart in August, and within a couple of months injuries start piling up.
Also, I've seen it mentioned on Twitter, that the teams on the US tour (Brighton, Chelsea, Newcastle, Brentford) seem to be worse hit with injuries. Not sure if that could also be a factor? Interestingly, Chelsea were in the US the previous Summer, and suffered an injury crisis last season too.
Also, I've seen it mentioned on Twitter, that the teams on the US tour (Brighton, Chelsea, Newcastle, Brentford) seem to be worse hit with injuries. Not sure if that could also be a factor? Interestingly, Chelsea were in the US the previous Summer, and suffered an injury crisis last season too.
The salient point is what happened after he left. How long was there a vacancy? If we have a new guy is he in step with RDZ's training regime? If we don't, why not?
The old guy isn't the problem but may be a catalyst.
We've had a lot of injuries this season and it's very likely that they are for a large variety of reasons. March, for instance, was injured in an awkward fall in a game. Lamptey's always been made of glass, Gilmour was injured on the field on Scotland duty. Mitoma picked up a back problem after a long time with Japan.
Other things are less clear. Why did Enciso have a set back? Why did RDZ risk Estupinian at Ajax?
It's reasonable to conclude that there have been multiple reasons for our injuries and not just the training as Dwayne and Springal have claimed, isn't it?
Those yanks, let's blame the US of A!!
Liverpool and Spurs have had issues too.
It's a risk if you play possession football with pressing out of possession. You have to be very fit to do it. And we will never not play something in that style while Bloom's in charge.
- Jun 27, 2012
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Luton have had more injuries than anyone and spent their pre-season in Colchester, Sheffield and Wolverhampton.
(All clubs have pre-season tours or 4-5 games against varied opposition, most are abroad in the PL, injuries are higher than last season across the board, some clubs have suffered more than others, there's unlikely to be a single answer)
(All clubs have pre-season tours or 4-5 games against varied opposition, most are abroad in the PL, injuries are higher than last season across the board, some clubs have suffered more than others, there's unlikely to be a single answer)
Could be, once you start making things more competitive then the players will try harder, friendlies are meant to be warm-ups really, not full on games.
pigmanovich
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Not concerning at all that we have the Euros and a preseason tour of Japan coming up, then!
pigmanovich
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Is that true though? This graphic is two months old but I'm not sure the injury landscape has changed dramatically.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Retention of our top talent is getting to be more and more of a problem, I'd hope you agree. Every time you don't replace them like-for-like the optimum starting eleven becomes weaker. It's why RDZ gets frustrated. He can't build anything. Tricky spiral to reverse I'd suggest
For all the blame on our possession based football and extra games, Man City don't seem to suffer for it.
Then you need to develop players so they become like for like like we did last time. How do you think we reached that level last time around surely wasnt from signing ready made players took a year or more for Mac Allister Caicedo Trossard and others to reach the level they finally did tricky thing is to make breakthroughs align but think could happen already next year. Baleba could be closer to new Caicedo Adingra will have a year of PL experience behind him same with Joao Pedro Enciso would have gotten further already if not for injuries. Only max 10 managers in the world that will see their team replace star players with equally good players we cant expect to be one of the 10 clubs that can do it
It is difficult but to be fair, RDZ has it better here than at most teams. Tony and Paul don’t want to sell players and will refuse bids (I.e Arsenal bidding for Caicedo) for them if they can. Not many clubs can afford to do that, even if they wanted to and many care a lot about making money. At Brighton, If Mac Allister said he wanted to stay here another year, he would still be here.
I think that sadly when the player makes it clear they want to leave, either through nice means (Mac Allister) or nasty (Trossard, Sanchez, Caicedo) then they will sell because a player who doesn’t want to play for us will often down tools or become a problem. Players want to see a pathway to bigger clubs and if we look like we will be difficult or block that, they won’t sign with us. We are attractive to young players because we produce players that the likes of Chelsea and Liverpool will buy.
I think that it’s only at that point will they try to maximise the price they get for the player,’once it’s clear they are going to go.
- Jun 27, 2012
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I'd say our recruitment strategy and approach is fine, working and for the long term. We didn't ditch it when Potter went months without winning and we won't ditch it because we've drawn away at Burnley and Brentford or because , some seasons, we're going to fall short. Of course its getting harder, its the Premier League, but if it wasn't working then we wouldn't have top talent that big clubs were keen on. They still are and that's the point.
Of course RDZ is frustrated and i imagine for all sorts of reasons. (although he went out of his way to praise Bloom and Barber at the weekend) One thing i'm pretty certain about though is , unless he's very naive , is that he is surprised at any of the above. He knew all of that before he put pen to paper. Everyone in football knows Brighton have a different strategy to a Chelsea , a Forest or a Villa. Isn't that why we wanted him and he wanted us. RDZ knows we sell players, recruit differently, and its his job to work within that model. So far itsworking fine but of course its not infaillbile - our signings aren't always going to be 100% in terms of the hit rate (eg: Dahoud, Ansu Fati) .
Hope he stays for next season and lets see where we get to in the remaining 6 games. But outside of the dressing room, then its a bit unbecoming for Brighton fans to be going round saying its "not good enough" or worse imo. We're Brighton, we have a bit more class...
- Jun 27, 2012
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Luton have more players out currently that anyone else. According to https://www.premierinjuries.com/injury-table.php
but agreed - maybe not measured via minutes. Anyone point is - hard to draw many conclusions from idea that Albion on pre season tour in USA = injuries or that Luton on pre season tour in UK - also = injuries.
- Jun 27, 2012
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Hence difficulty of metrics for injuries but that wasn't my point anyway. Just that its far fetched to say the pre season tour in the USA is much of a factor - given that Luton were playing pre season friendlies in Wolverhampton and Burton on Trent and currently have > 10 players out.
GT49er
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It's one hell of a leap (and one which I certainly don't get or agree to) to link Moder's presence in the side to our lack of ability to score goals!
Iggle Piggle
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- Sep 3, 2010
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It's true though. Moder got injured against Norwich forcing Potters hand to put Caceido in the team. We never looked back having scored 1 goal in the previous 7 losing only against Man city up to the end of the season and beating Arsenal, Man utd (4-0) and Spurs amongst others along the way.
It might be false equivalence but our current barn door tendancies have coincided with Moders -occasional - return.