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[Albion] Who should be "credited" with our goal against Burnley?



AZ Gull

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I realise this is probably a nerdy question, but....

As far as I can tell, every single website has "credited" our goal today as an own goal by 'keeper Arijanet Muric. However, shouldn't it be credited as an own goal by Sander Berge? I realise Muric is clearly the player at fault as he lets the ball trickle under his foot, but the pass from Berge was heading goalwards and Muric's very slight deflection makes no material difference. If Muric had missed the ball completely, it would definitely have been an own goal by Berge (as you obviously can't credit a goal to someone who hasn't touched the ball). Therefore, it has to go down as a Berge own goal, surely?

When goals are scored by an attacking player, it is generally accepted that if a shot is on target then a slight deflection off a defender doesn't cause it to be awarded as an own goal but is still credited to the attacking player. Therefore Muric's slight touch should be meaningless in this instance.

I record details of all Albion matches so this isn't just an academic discussion. Does anyone else think it is an own goal by Berge?
 






Cotton Socks

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AZ Gull said:
I realise this is probably a nerdy question, but....

As far as I can tell, every single website has "credited" our goal today as an own goal by 'keeper Arijanet Muric. However, shouldn't it be credited as an own goal by Sander Berge? I realise Muric is clearly the player at fault as he lets the ball trickle under his foot, but the pass from Berge was heading goalwards and Muric's very slight deflection makes no material difference. If Muric had missed the ball completely, it would definitely have been an own goal by Berge (as you obviously can't credit a goal to someone who hasn't touched the ball). Therefore, it has to go down as a Berge own goal, surely?

When goals are scored by an attacking player, it is generally accepted that if a shot is on target then a slight deflection off a defender doesn't cause it to be awarded as an own goal but is still credited to the attacking player. Therefore Muric's slight touch should be meaningless in this instance.

I record details of all Albion matches so this isn't just an academic discussion. Does anyone else think it is an own goal by Berge?
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That's very 'deep' for 1am! ;)
 




Peacehaven Wild Kids

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Just watching MOTD now, it’s touched the keepers boot, it’s his OG you can’t blame that defender.

[Having just driven 600 miles I’ve rewarded my self with about a quarter of a bottle of that Jack Daniels Fire which I’ve done in about 10 minutes which subsequently has made me feel really sorry for that keeper]
 








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Peacehaven Wild Kids said:
Just watching MOTD now, it’s touched the keepers boot, it’s his OG you can’t blame that defender.

[Having just driven 600 miles I’ve rewarded my self with about a quarter of a bottle of that Jack Daniels Fire which I’ve done in about 10 minutes which subsequently has made me feel really sorry for that keeper]
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I agree, but it was very funny and will probably be on a YouTube complication of goalkeepers 'howlers' at some point!
 




AZ Gull

AZ Gull

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Peacehaven Wild Kids said:
Just watching MOTD now, it’s touched the keepers boot, it’s his OG you can’t blame that defender.
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It's got nothing to do with blame though. If an attacker hits a shot that strikes the bar or post, comes back out and then goes in after hitting the diving 'keeper, it goes down as an own goal against the 'keeper (even though he hasn't done anything "wrong").
 


Eeyore

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I'd say it's the keeper's own goal.

It's not the same as an attacker taking a shot at goal. It wasn't a shot. It was a pass directly to the keeper. I don't think their is a firm rule here. But, for me, the keeper has to cop the stat.
 






dazzer6666

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Can see why they would attribute it to the keeper - it’s his mistake. If it was a weak shot from one of ours then they would have been awarded it though - presumably on the basis they were intending to put the ball in the net, whereas the defender wasn’t :shrug:
 




Herr Tubthumper

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It’s the ‘keepers goal in my mind.

If it’s the other way around, say Gross has a shot which was going in anyway, but took a slight glance off a team mate, it would be the team mates goal. In fact I think Dunk has a goal like this this season? Recall a shot into a crowded box which glanced him.
 
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Herr Tubthumper

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The same ‘keeper f***ed up last week as well apparently.
 




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Isn’t there some sort of committee that judges who gets credited with every goal? As such, I assume the media are correct in assigning it as a Muric own goal.
 


Giraffe

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I’d assumed it was the defenders goal. Remember the Adam Hinshelwood own goal from the half way line?
 






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AZ Gull said:
It's got nothing to do with blame though. If an attacker hits a shot that strikes the bar or post, comes back out and then goes in after hitting the diving 'keeper, it goes down as an own goal against the 'keeper (even though he hasn't done anything "wrong").
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It is only an OG to the keeper if the ball would not have gone into the net without the deflective assistance of the keeper. In the present case, the keeper simply failed to save a shot from Dandy Sander.
 
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