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[Football] Should Maguire be in the England Squad

Should Maguire be in the England Squad

  • Yes

    Votes: 50 26.6%
  • No

    Votes: 138 73.4%

  • Total voters
    188


Triggaaar

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2005
52,738
Goldstone
Maguire, who was given his England debut by Southgate in 2017, added: "There's loads of people out there now who probably don't think I should be in the squad.

"There's millions of people that think I should be.

"That's football and that's why it's such a great game because everyone has such a different opinion."

There you go folks. So the reason football is such a great game is because Southgate picks Maguire, despite him not being good enough.
 






JBizzle

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Apr 18, 2010
6,172
Seaford
Wow, over a 1/4 of NSC voting yes.

What are you seeing when you watch him play? I may need to book myself into the opticians. All I'm seeing is; lack of pace, mistakes, slow distribution, poor decision making, club appearances only because all other options are injured...I suppose he can head it and that's enough for Gareth and others...
I see those things sometimes at United, yes, although far less so of late and rarely if at all for England. He's not a bad defender, at times, he's been an excellent defender and for England he's been a consistent one.

Over the last few years, form-wise, he should 100% have been dropped (for his own good more than anything), but we have a youngish squad going into the Euros and he has experience going to the final which is a valuable commodity.

Whether we like it or not, he adds value to the England squad beyond just on the pitch. I have FAR more of a problem with Henderson being involved.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
52,738
Goldstone
There are better choices being left out, so simply, no.
He should have been dropped long ago, and replaced with the likes of Dunk, who would have benefited from game time in an England shirt. With finals in a few months, it's a bit late for that now, so Maguire may need to be in the squad.
 


aolstudios

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Nov 30, 2011
5,165
brighton
Poor reading of the game. And so slow in the turn.

In WC22, he was beaten to the ball for the headed winning goal in the 6 yard box by a 36 year old Giroud.

Vastly overpriced domestically and with 62 England caps, conclusive proof of Southgate's misplaced loyalty.

Yes, he's played better recently, but he wasn't really playing at all before then. He almost left United last summer.

It's been 'no' since the last Euros.
Well exactly. People bigging him up for 'playing better recently' are missing the facts that prior to that he wasn't playing at all & that his current (not utter shit) form would have him nowhere near the squad under another manager
 






Bozza

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Jul 4, 2003
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To answer this question, I guess you need to consider how many centre-backs are in the squad (let's assume that Southgate has picked the right number in terms of overall squad balance) and if Maguire currently lies within that top number.

These are the recognised defenders in this squad:
  • DF: John Stones (Manchester City)
  • DF: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton)
  • DF: Lewis Dunk (Brighton)
  • DF: Joe Gomez (Liverpool)
  • DF: Harry Maguire (Manchester United)
  • DF: Ben Chilwell (Chelsea)
  • DF: Kyle Walker (Manchester City)
  • DF: Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa)
So with Guehi and Colwill being injured currently if not Maguire, then who?

The only semi-obvious name missing is Tomori, isn't it? Max Kilman has been linked with a call-up before, but with both Branthwaite and Konsa being new and inexperienced faces at this level, I guess experience wins for Maguire right now.
 










Hamilton

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Jul 7, 2003
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Brighton
To answer this question, I guess you need to consider how many centre-backs are in the squad (let's assume that Southgate has picked the right number in terms of overall squad balance) and if Maguire currently lies within that top number.

These are the recognised defenders in this squad:
  • DF: John Stones (Manchester City)
  • DF: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton)
  • DF: Lewis Dunk (Brighton)
  • DF: Joe Gomez (Liverpool)
  • DF: Harry Maguire (Manchester United)
  • DF: Ben Chilwell (Chelsea)
  • DF: Kyle Walker (Manchester City)
  • DF: Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa)
So with Guehi and Colwill being injured currently if not Maguire, then who?

The only semi-obvious name missing is Tomori, isn't it? Max Kilman has been linked with a call-up before, but with both Branthwaite and Konsa being new and inexperienced faces at this level, I guess experience wins for Maguire right now.
Good to get that list up, and I agree that Tomori is an obvious omission.

But in all honesty, I'd put Eric Dier ahead. I'd even be happy to see someone like Callum Doyle at Leicester included. He's young and likely to be thereabouts in the future.

Maguire just sends the wrong message out to a team that should be aspiring to be the best.
 




BiffyBoy100

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Apr 20, 2020
159
To answer this question, I guess you need to consider how many centre-backs are in the squad (let's assume that Southgate has picked the right number in terms of overall squad balance) and if Maguire currently lies within that top number.

These are the recognised defenders in this squad:
  • DF: John Stones (Manchester City)
  • DF: Jarrad Branthwaite (Everton)
  • DF: Lewis Dunk (Brighton)
  • DF: Joe Gomez (Liverpool)
  • DF: Harry Maguire (Manchester United)
  • DF: Ben Chilwell (Chelsea)
  • DF: Kyle Walker (Manchester City)
  • DF: Ezri Konsa (Aston Villa)
So with Guehi and Colwill being injured currently if not Maguire, then who?

The only semi-obvious name missing is Tomori, isn't it? Max Kilman has been linked with a call-up before, but with both Branthwaite and Konsa being new and inexperienced faces at this level, I guess experience wins for Maguire right now.

It's really good to see this list.

It also highlights how much of a missed opportunity it is not being able to select Ben White in that squad. You could play him across three positions, and that versatility would be perfect for tournament football. Although, I wonder how he'd play at CB or DM these days.

Based on the NSC poll sample size, Maguire is right about millions of people wanting him in the squad!

It's quite scary we're favourites with Maguire and Henderson any near that squad.
 


Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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Withdean area
When opponents pump balls ‘into the mixer’, he does have an innate instinct to be in the right place to head 90% of them away.

At international level, I’m not sure that’s a prevalent phase of play?

To me, these days, that’s all he offers. He was a far better player 5 years ago.
 


AZ Gull

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Oct 14, 2003
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Chandler, AZ
... Max Kilman has been linked with a call-up before, but with both Branthwaite and Konsa being new and inexperienced faces at this level, I guess experience wins for Maguire right now.
Max Kilman has 25 caps for England







..at futsal.
 




Bozza

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Jul 4, 2003
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Max Kilman has 25 caps for England







..at futsal.
Have you any idea what it's like to see a notification pop up in the top right corner of my laptop telling me that you've quoted me on a football-related thread?

"What the hell have I got wrong now?" is the dreaded thought that comes to mind.

Please save these posts to put me firmly in my place only when it is truly merited.
 




Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
23,558
Brighton
Well exactly. People bigging him up for 'playing better recently' are missing the facts that prior to that he wasn't playing at all & that his current (not utter shit) form would have him nowhere near the squad under another manager
It’s almost as though these sorts of things have been forgotten at best or forgiven at worst:

 










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