[Politics] King’s Cross - Ramadan Message

Guinness Boy said:

So white football fans caused an increase in security checks then

Security free flights . One quick google would have told you we've had checks in the UK for over 50 years and, in fact, they were stopped on one British route in 2017. In the US they came in during 1973 as a result of a hijacking of a Southern Airways plane by Melvin Cale, Louis Moore and Henry D Jackson (as opposed to, say, Raza Mohammed).

It's you that needs to do better, frankly. Start with a bit of research instead of 'remembering things'.

Britain introduces flights without security checks for first time in almost 50 years

Union warns of a heightened risk of terrorism

www.independent.co.uk

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No you need to try harder.

If you checked your bag in at Gatwick in late 80s early 90s you sailed through to airside with your ticket and passport. That was it, no x ray machines or taking off your belts, watched and shoes. I remember the process very well, because by the early 90s stuff was being taken through to airside by some people that really shouldn’t have been.

I also have flown internally in the UK without intrusive security…….not anymore.

I can recall getting ferry to Dieppe for the Le Harve game and chatting to customs about all the new security checks they were going to introduce………luckily they had nothing that day.

You probably don’t remember that far back…………try harder.

cunning fergus said:

No you need to try harder.

If you checked your bag in at Gatwick in late 80s early 90s you sailed through to airside with your ticket and passport. That was it, no x ray machines or taking off your belts, watched and shoes. I remember the process very well, because by the early 90s stuff was being taken through to airside by some people that really shouldn’t have been.

I also have flown internally in the UK without intrusive security…….not anymore.

I can recall getting ferry to Dieppe for the Le Harve game and chatting to customs about all the new security checks they were going to introduce………luckily they had nothing that day.

You probably don’t remember that far back…………try harder.

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You can recall - I can produce evidence.


In any case, the original question was how you'd personally been affected by your allegation of "Islamification" of the UK. Plane security is there to prevent any person of any colour attacking a plane. Or, indeed, white middle aged pilots flying the plane after half a bottle of Jaegermeister. Well done Edinburgh eh?

cheshunt seagull said:

I'm an atheist and I have no problem with greetings that have a basis in religion being shown in this way but it isn't appropriate for any texts like this to be displayed. I would feel the same if it was verses from the New Testament. It isn't something I am getting particularly wound up by but I think it best avoided. Public spaces should be secular.

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Public spaces should represent the diversity of the population and are often used for non-secular reasons. In a week‘s time, Christians all over the UK will be processing through streets of numerous towns and cities carrying a life-sized Cross and singing about repentance and Resurrection as they have celebrated Good Friday since the C7th. Will the Daily Mail and GB have a tirade about that too? Or is the issue, not that public spaces are being used for religious purposes but that they are used for Islamic purposes?




I agree with you, posting texts from religious scriptures regardless of the religion is problematic, especially if it leaves people feeling judged. Posting a message from Islam’s Prophet on a railway board was a clumsy attempt at inclusivity imo but of course GB News and the Daily Mail were the first media outlets to launch into a tirade of how Islam is taking over - so let’s not kid ourselves that right wing t’ssers like Patrick Cristys and Nigel Farage would have had the same reaction to a text from the Bible.

Zeberdi said:

Public spaces should represent the diversity of the population and are often used for non-secular reasons. In a week‘s time, Christians all over the UK will be processing through streets of numerous towns and cities carrying a life-sized Cross and singing about repentance and Resurrection as they have celebrated Good Friday since the C7th. Will the Daily Mail and GB have a tirade about that too? Or is the issue, not that public spaces are being used for religious purposes but that they are used for Islamic purposes?

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I agree with you, posting texts from religious scriptures regardless of the religion is problematic, especially if it leaves people feeling judged. Posting a message from Islam’s Prophet on a railway board was a clumsy attempt at inclusivity imo but of course GB News and the Daily Mail were the first media outlets to launch into a tirade of how Islam is taking over - so let’s not kid ourselves that right wing t’ssers like Patrick Cristys and Nigel Farage would have had the same reaction to a text from the Bible.

Network Rail removes Islamic message on King's Cross display boards after fierce criticism

Islamic message about 'sinners' who 'must repent' attracted outrage at King's Cross

www.gbnews.com

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I should probably be more precise about what I meant by public spaces being secular. I was talking about signs and comms from governmental and public bodies as well as organisations delivering public infrastructure, like transport. Religious festivals are different as are faiths paying for advertising space although this should be subject to the same message regulation as would apply to any organisation.