[Politics] King’s Cross - Ramadan Message

Kalimantan Gull · Mar 21, 2024

This is all a bit weird, a large part of ramadan is about the repenting and forgiving of sins. Its about the most appropriate message they could have put up.

When we hit idul fitri (eid) in a few weeks my whatsapp will start pinging with my friends and employees writing 'mohon maaf lahir batin', which means 'please forgive my body and soul'. And then we all go and feast and be merry.

Eeyore · Mar 21, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Being gay and being a Muslim are not both lifestyle choices. One is. The other isn't. One you're born as. The other you're not (despite what your mum and dad might say).

Acknowledging one is acknowledging part of the human spectrum, Acknowledging the other is acknowledging a choice.

Once choice is brought to the table, other choices, not brought to the table, become legitimate causes for consternation.

For me, diversity and inclusion cover issues over which we have no choice. Sexual orientation. Neurodiversity. Etc. These should all be celebrated.

My religion, my favourite football team, my political allegiance are all personal choices.

I'd enjoy 'f*** off Palace, you'll never see the Palace in the Dam' banners at Victoria. But I don't deserve it. I'd be embarrassed, frankly.

I would argue that your religion is less a choice and more an indoctrination that is part of your psyche.

If we were born in Pakistan, as an example, we would all most likely be Muslim. It could also be argued that in many cases the football team you support is a form of indoctrination.

The only thing in my life that wasn't was my passion for cricket. There is no family history there.

But we are all products of our environment and continually so. As an example, if the year was 1984 and the same folk inhabited this forum as now, far less would be supportive of LGBT issues than at this time.

cunning fergus · Mar 21, 2024

Colonel Mustard said:
I don't think I've heard anyone say they're 'offended'. More of a WTF response. A departure board is totally the wrong place for this sort of baloney.

I agree, the appeasers on here and elsewhere have their heads in the sand, this message at Kings X is classic thin end of the wedge stuff.

Where’s the atheist messages? A mere 15 years ago the Humanist Society launched a campaign in London expressing the sentiment that there is no God………

Atheist bus campaign spreads the word of no God nationwide

Donations totalling more than £140,000 to fund adverts on 600 buses across UK as well as in London tube stations

www.theguardian.com

Looking forward to the next Humanist Society next campaign with maybe a atheist message directed to that lot that they are wasting their time……………

They won’t though will they, because they know they are gossamer thin skinned when it comes to criticism or parody of that religion, as we learnt from Charlie Hebdo.

WATFORD zero · Mar 21, 2024

portlock seagull said:
I’m rather impressed but also it’s a bit unnerving a total stranger is potentially monitoring you or making mental notes or is of the persuasion to research you however easy over several decades. Still, the internet is forever and thus no place for reformation. Might just withdraw for a while though, because you’ve unsettled me even if unintended. Timely reminder to take more care online. Never know who’s watching, building profile, to what end etc. Why I don’t do social media a side from NSC. Can’t be too careful so thank you in that respect.

I hate to disappoint you but i've never noticed you until your islamaphobic post on this thread. Top right corner of every NSC screen, search for the words Islam and Muslim posted by portlock seagull and there's loads of them, choose a couple at random and quote them. 30-40 seconds all in, It's the Internet, things you publish don't disappear.

You're welcome :thumbsup:

BadFish · Mar 21, 2024

cunning fergus said:
I agree, the appeasers on here and elsewhere have their heads in the sand, this message at Kings X is classic thin end of the wedge stuff.

Where’s the atheist messages? A mere 15 years ago the Humanist Society launched a campaign in London expressing the sentiment that there is no God………

Atheist bus campaign spreads the word of no God nationwide

Donations totalling more than £140,000 to fund adverts on 600 buses across UK as well as in London tube stations

www.theguardian.com

Looking forward to the next Humanist Society next campaign with maybe a atheist message directed to that lot that they are wasting their time……………

They won’t though will they, because they know they are gossamer thin skinned when it comes to criticism or parody of that religion, as we learnt from Charlie Hebdo.

What does the rest of the wedge entail?

NorthstandRacoon · Mar 21, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Being gay and being a Muslim are not both lifestyle choices. One is. The other isn't. One you're born as. The other you're not (despite what your mum and dad might say).

Acknowledging one is acknowledging part of the human spectrum, Acknowledging the other is acknowledging a choice.

Once choice is brought to the table, other choices, not brought to the table, become legitimate causes for consternation.

For me, diversity and inclusion cover issues over which we have no choice. Sexual orientation. Neurodiversity. Etc. These should all be celebrated.

My religion, my favourite football team, my political allegiance are all personal choices.

I'd enjoy 'f*** off Palace, you'll never see the Palace in the Dam' banners at Victoria. But I don't deserve it. I'd be embarrassed, frankly.

SPOT ON

NorthstandRacoon · Mar 21, 2024

clapham_gull said:
Currently boarding on platform 14 ?

Talking about the religion, not if it is there or not lol

sydney · Mar 21, 2024

ok then ....meh......but its a piss take.

Jackthelad · Mar 21, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Being gay and being a Muslim are not both lifestyle choices. One is. The other isn't. One you're born as. The other you're not (despite what your mum and dad might say).

Acknowledging one is acknowledging part of the human spectrum, Acknowledging the other is acknowledging a choice.

Once choice is brought to the table, other choices, not brought to the table, become legitimate causes for consternation.

For me, diversity and inclusion cover issues over which we have no choice. Sexual orientation. Neurodiversity. Etc. These should all be celebrated.

My religion, my favourite football team, my political allegiance are all personal choices.

I'd enjoy 'f*** off Palace, you'll never see the Palace in the Dam' banners at Victoria. But I don't deserve it. I'd be embarrassed, frankly.

As you said that's you. That's your opinion, and you have a right to it.
But a Muslim would disagree with you. 85% of the planet identifies with a religion, for many of them a sports team does not compare.

However to many a non-religious sports loving people football has replaced religion. As a Christian, and a football lover, it's fascinating to me how simular my church experience is, and the veneration we give our team and players at the Amex. It's can be 90 mins of singing "we love you Albion" or some worship song to a player, the raising of the hands when we sing it's so like modern church. There are obvious differences though, as I've never gone to a church drunk or called the preacher a tw*t! ..all though I've been tempted.

sydney · Mar 21, 2024

Sheebo said:
People have too much time on their hands. It’s a complete non event. Although the morons who complained that they shouldn’t use ‘ladies and gentlemen’ on the anouncent system still win the award for most stupid waste of time and effort to get offended

i remember when Diana died , we had come in to London from Paris and were walking across to victoria to go south , we walked past a small green area which was fenced off , no gate , it was in the grounds of the cathedral i think and there were about 40 muslims inside the fence , kneeling down praying with about a hundred or so tourists taking photos , one of the oddest , most pointless and inflammatory gestures bearing in mind these men had climbed over the flowers and messages stacked up against the fence to get onto this little green patch .....my initial train of thought was WTF...?? probably still one of the most bizarre things i have ever seen in the UK while I've been sober.

Krafty · Mar 21, 2024

clapham_gull said:
So they aren't timetables.

They are now huge electronic arrival and departure boards and they can display anything. Public service announcements, weather warnings, advertising whatever.

The area in the middle wasn't designed to display train times, it was designed to display something else.

So now we are in a weird debate about what the something else is allowed to be.

Should a company should be allowed to quote from a religious text in a public (well not really) space ? It's a complete minefield.

Let's face reality. It that was from the bible, no one would care.

In my opinion, the area in the middle should display public service announcements, weather warnings, and advertising. I don't think an electronic board should show a message saying "repent your sins" as it is a contentious issue. It isn't suitable, a message like "Ramadan Mubarak" or "Eid Mubarak" would be more suitable.

jonny.rainbow · Mar 21, 2024

Back in the late 80s and early 90s Brighton and Hove buses used to drive around with the destination and route number intermittently being replaced with ‘Up the Albion’.

I am still offended on behalf of all fans of other football clubs who resided in Brighton and Hove at the time! :angry:

sydney · Mar 21, 2024

jonny.rainbow said:
Back in the late 80s and early 90s Brighton and Hove buses used to drive around with the destination and route number intermittently being replaced with ‘Up the Albion’.

I am still offended on behalf of all fans of other football clubs who resided in Brighton and Hove at the time!

did the signs on the buses alter the social structure of Brighton and Hove back in the day.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 21, 2024

Jackthelad said:
As you said that's you. That's your opinion, and you have a right to it.
But a Muslim would disagree with you. 85% of the planet identifies with a religion, for many of them a sports team does not compare.

However to many a non-religious sports loving people football has replaced religion. As a Christian, and a football lover, it's fascinating to me how simular my church experience is, and the veneration we give our team and players at the Amex. It's can be 90 mins of singing "we love you Albion" or some worship song to a player, the raising of the hands when we sing it's so like modern church. There are obvious differences though, as I've never gone to a church drunk or called the preacher a tw*t! ..all though I've been tempted.

Fair comment.

But anyone who is a member of anything who is favourably name-checked anywhere would be pleased, would they not?

The issue here really is one of exceptionalism. We are generally used to almost every day being national something day. That's fine.

And if the rail company gave a favourable name check to a different worthy set of recipients each week we wouldn't be debating this.

So it isn't 'bad'. Its just a bit weird. :thumbsup:

JBizzle · Mar 21, 2024

As with all of these things, there's a line. Wishing goodwill on special religious occasions is fine by me, preaching sinners and saints to commuters seems both out of place and unwelcome. It doesn't offend me, I actually enjoy learning about these religious festivals, but the context and content of this specific message is plain odd.

rippleman · Mar 21, 2024

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Fair comment.

But anyone who is a member of anything who is favourably name-checked anywhere would be pleased, would they not?

The issue here really is one of exceptionalism. We are generally used to almost every day being national something day. That's fine.

And if the rail company gave a favourable name check to a different worthy set of recipients each week we wouldn't be debating this.

So it isn't 'bad'. Its just a bit weird.

And today is World Down Syndrome Day.

A most uplifting interview from Today this morning.

Bry Nylon · Mar 21, 2024

Kalimantan Gull said:
my whatsapp will start pinging with my friends and employees writing 'mohon maaf lahir batin',

Reads very much like many of the WhatsApp messages I get from @Guinness Boy when he's at an away game tbf

jackalbion · Mar 21, 2024

On this subject someone I know at an unnamed train operator, was given the codes for all the automatic announcements to go on a new fleet of train to programme. However the company sent over the wrong sheet which didn't correspond to the actual announcement. This led to every single train instead of saying 'this is carriage (x) of (x).' it instead said 'the train will now commence an emergency brake test', I'm sure that was an interesting afternoon.

Guinness Boy · Mar 21, 2024

Bry Nylon said:
Reads very much like many of the WhatsApp messages I get from @Guinness Boy when he's at an away game tbf

Ironic that @jackalbion has replied directly below your post as it’s normally his fault

cunning fergus · Mar 21, 2024

BadFish said:
What does the rest of the wedge entail?

Who knows, as this episode we are commenting on demonstrates, we are already well on the wedge journey aren't we?

In less than 100 years, despite increasing secularisation in the U.K. a new religion has arrived, put down roots and continues to be indulged by the powers that be.

With a growing population in the U.K., predominantly young, and ever more constituencies with Muslims holding the balance of power the rest of the wedge is unlikely to be the like of what we have seen before. Perhaps in time we will see a Islamic political party, sharia law enshrined in U.K. law, only halal meat in schools, legal acceptance of polygamy, blasphemy laws, teachers hounded from jobs, maybe even the Islamic republic of Lancashire (or somewhere where a Muslim majority holds the balance of power).

We can either accept growing Islamic influence or reject it to maintain a broadly our secular country with a Christian background. To do the latter we will need to draw a line somewhere to reduce the former, as the French well know.

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