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[Politics] King’s Cross - Ramadan Message



clapham_gull

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Aug 20, 2003
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Far less "offensive" than what I heard preachers on the streets preach with megaphones.

What a really odd thing to get angry about.
 




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Far less "offensive" than what I heard preachers on the streets preach with megaphones.

What a really odd thing to get angry about.
It isn't too much of a stretch to imagine that someone panicked when it became apparent that they had offended Islamophobes.

(I still feel it was a bit needless - as an athiest/scientist I now feel short changed by the lack of announcements and salutations relating to the scientific methods and the importance of rationalism and hypothesis testing. The bastards.)
 


studio150

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So a notice on a station board, which most travellers wouldn't of noticed, but those who like to stir up trouble complain and distribute to a wider audience, to gain further traction and complaints.

Yep its Britain in 2024 under the Conservatives
 


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Pretty ridiculous thing to do.

Are there about 4 billion bigger things to worry about? Yes.

Shows what a tolerant country the UK is that stuff like this can be allowed to happen, I think.
 






clapham_gull

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I walked past the well known Christian preacher in Liverpool City Centre on Sunday, telling me I was going to hell.

Then some Islamic book sellers with a sign asking whether Jesus was Muslim.

I was utterly offended but only after the busker absolutely killing Careless Whisper.

At which I had a pint and got over it.
 








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So a notice on a station board, which most travellers wouldn't of noticed, but those who like to stir up trouble complain and distribute to a wider audience, to gain further traction and complaints.

Yep its Britain in 2024 under the Conservatives
Or people trying to get a raise out of those people who complain about it.

London under Labour

You can spin it either way, I'm sick of both.
 
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clapham_gull

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This. It isn't a suitable place to preach a religion.
Well it happens in London a lot, especially at Tube stations where a member of staff is allowed to write something spiritual on a white board to welcome you.

I have no issue with any of it, unless it's something divisive like "Terry 9:8-9: No man should lay down with the sheep as if his wife, because that is a wicked man."

At which point I make a complaint.
 


BadFish

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Fair to say wouldn’t have happened 20, 30 years ago so regardless of how you interpret, it’s evidence of further islamisation of Britain and wider Europe. Change. But then we already know this given the rising numbers of people with this faith, whether through immigrants, conversions or born into as 2nd and 3rd generation. Many communities here don’t exactly buy into British values, same in any democracy (you don’t tend to get a choice in Dictatorships hence why nobody migrates there for a ‘better’ life!). So yep, a bit new and strange to those of us not of the faith here, but maybe it won’t be very soon?
This, they are promoting ramadam and every year they try and ban Christmas!!

Grrr, Muslims.
 




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Far less "offensive" than what I heard preachers on the streets preach with megaphones.

What a really odd thing to get angry about.
In my opinion, preachers on the streets are a different kettle of fish to a message in national rail station. National Rail are not a religious organisation and can’t speak for a general belief in spirituality as a company or for the public.

If a street preacher decides to voice their protected right to free speech, they aren’t doing so with the tacit implied backing of anyone else - except perhaps the religious organisation they represent.

In this case, by featuring tenets of any religion on their own branded displays, there is an implied endorsement of the message from an entity which has no business doing so.

In my opinion the examples are not comparable.
 




BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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It isn't too much of a stretch to imagine that someone panicked when it became apparent that they had offended Islamophobes.

(I still feel it was a bit needless - as an athiest/scientist I now feel short changed by the lack of announcements and salutations relating to the scientific methods and the importance of rationalism and hypothesis testing. The bastards.)
They don't even acknowledge science week. Bastards indeed.
 




clapham_gull

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In my opinion, preachers on the streets are a different kettle of fish to a message in national rail station. National Rail are not a religious organisation and can’t speak for a general belief in spirituality as a company or for the public.

If a street preacher decides to voice their protected right to free speech, they aren’t doing so with the tacit implied backing of anyone else - except perhaps the religious organisation they represent.

In this case, by featuring tenets of any religion on their own branded displays, there is an implied endorsement of the message from an entity which has no business doing so.

In my opinion the examples are not comparable.

London Overground aren't either and no one complains. They allow their staff to express themselves spiritually, philosophically and religiously.

And course the ones allowed to tell us that the Victoria Line is down. Heathens.

It's a nice quirk of London life that I've got used to.

This story is about nothing more than people fearing than Sharia Law is about the applied to the National Rail timetable and ticketing pricing policy.

Personally I think it has legs and is worth a go.
 


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Jul 8, 2003
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I have no issue with any of it, unless it's something divisive like "Terry 9:8-9: No man should lay down with the sheep as if his wife, because that is a wicked man."

At which point I make a complaint.
Quite right. Regardless of belief, that's just a baad idea.

June 10 v 9-10: "Don't try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes."
 


BadFish

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Oct 19, 2003
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To frame my response I would place this at between 1 and 3 on my give a f*** metre but...

I am interested to know how what goes on the board is decided. If it's a case of it being informal and it's Bobs turn today, then I would disagree with censoring it. Let's see what people have to say and enjoy life's rich tapestry... Even when it's Muhammad's turn at the keyboard.

Of its a more formal planned out process then yeah, keep religion out of it and keep it to ... Well what normally goes on that board.
 


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Fair to say wouldn’t have happened 20, 30 years ago so regardless of how you interpret, it’s evidence of further islamisation of Britain and wider Europe. Change. But then we already know this given the rising numbers of people with this faith, whether through immigrants, conversions or born into as 2nd and 3rd generation. Many communities here don’t exactly buy into British values, same in any democracy (you don’t tend to get a choice in Dictatorships hence why nobody migrates there for a ‘better’ life!). So yep, a bit new and strange to those of us not of the faith here, but maybe it won’t be very soon?

Here is your prediction from 2007

The foreign office should just tell all British Nationals to leave the Sudan given their laws are completely bonkers and you can't be sure of a fair trial. It's like the stoning sketch from the life of brian - only it's hardly funny this time. How the leap from naming a teddy bear to western plot can be made underlines how irrationale and paranoid muslim fantatics have become. There's just no reasoning with them.

World War 3 will happen in our lifetime - I'm sure of it. Sweepstake anyone?! I reckon it'll start in 2015 - which means we're running out of time to win the premiership!!

And then, in 2015

When is WW3 due to start again? I fear for anyone aged 10 or under...there's no way theres not going to be some Crusade like war of epic proportions between Islam and everyone else in their lifetimes. The rest of us might just get away with it but younger generations are all but screwed. That's if the meteorite doesn't strike first. The seas rise. If the messiah does exist and is due to return, now would be a good time. What a mess Humanity is in currently......Still Brentford at home on Saturday so not all is lost.

Still waiting ? Patience is a virtue :facepalm:
 
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WATFORD zero

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In my opinion, preachers on the streets are a different kettle of fish to a message in national rail station. National Rail are not a religious organisation and can’t speak for a general belief in spirituality as a company or for the public.

If a street preacher decides to voice their protected right to free speech, they aren’t doing so with the tacit implied backing of anyone else - except perhaps the religious organisation they represent.

In this case, by featuring tenets of any religion on their own branded displays, there is an implied endorsement of the message from an entity which has no business doing so.

In my opinion the examples are not comparable.

So when the announcer at Haywards Heath a few years back got pissed and made what actually amounted to an expletive filled resignation speech on the tannoy that was tacitly backed by British Rail ? Someone made a mistake (probably with better intentions than the aforementioned) and it was then taken down quite quickly :shrug:
 


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