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[Football] Football's least captainy (is a word) captains?









Stat Brother

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drew

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The Optimist said:
But was he captainy? I can’t really see him barking instructions to other players. I suppose he was a lead by example type of captain.
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I find it staggering that you don't think Beckham was a leader on the pitch. Whether you like him or not, he led the team by example and in many cases carried the team. He was a legend for England whether we won anything or not. He didn't hold the record for outfielder caps when he retired for nothing.

Also, using your criteria, only the 11 players in 1966 can ever be legends which is ludicrous. As someone else pointed out, Dunk is an albion legend, as is Peter Ward.
 


drew

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Ah, but we had suboptimal managers and a suboptimal set up, then. Club wars and that. The captain can't do it all on his own.

Is Dunk a legend at Brighton? Won f*** all. Not a legend, then. In fact we have no legends at Brighton. Because we have won f*** all.

I may have to shoot myself, now, I'm so depressed.
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Actually, using the very narrow definition of legend that some are sticking to, Charlie Webb would be our only legend. Scored a winning goal for the only trophy and managed the club for decades.
 


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The Optimist said:
But was he captainy? I can’t really see him barking instructions to other players. I suppose he was a lead by example type of captain.
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Yes. Exactly that.

Were I in his team, I'd want to put myself on the line for him. If a captain can inspire that......

I'd probably also copy his hairstyle and tattoos. And have a big photo of him on my living room wall. And if it were singed :love:

By contrast, let us consider Stuart Pearce. He was extremely captainy.

But he was also a clod hopping twit. All extreme passion and premature ejaculation. If he wore DMs, I'd never wear DMs again. And I love DMs.
 






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A number of people seem to think being Captain material means being “not a dick”. Huge disagree. It’s cliche but it’s about being the last man fighting in a tight spot and giving everything for the team, as well as being a cool head when needed.

John Terry, much as I despise him, epitomises that, and you can see why they loved him for it. Same as we love Dunk.

Bruno Fernandes is the obvious candidate, also great shout on Kane. I’m also not convinced de Bruyne would work in any side other than Man City, which seems to manage itself.
 


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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Yes. Exactly that.

Were I in his team, I'd want to put myself on the line for him. If a captain can inspire that......

I'd probably also copy his hairstyle and tattoos. And have a big photo of him on my living room wall. And if it were singed :love:
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When you say 'probably', is this a double-bluff, and you are actually just trying to con us into believing that you haven't/don't??
 




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drew said:
I find it staggering that you don't think Beckham was a leader on the pitch. Whether you like him or not, he led the team by example and in many cases carried the team. He was a legend for England whether we won anything or not. He didn't hold the record for outfielder caps when he retired for nothing.

Also, using your criteria, only the 11 players in 1966 can ever be legends which is ludicrous. As someone else pointed out, Dunk is an albion legend, as is Peter Ward.
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Beckham’s work rate was incredible. People who only watched him on TV for Man U would think he just pinged good crosses and took a nice free kick.

Anyone who watched him play for England from a seat in the ground knew he covered pretty much every blade of grass in a line from the middle of the pitch to the right touchline, was wonderfully skilful and, in later years, very much pushed his teammates.
 


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drew said:
I find it staggering that you don't think Beckham was a leader on the pitch. Whether you like him or not, he led the team by example and in many cases carried the team. He was a legend for England whether we won anything or not. He didn't hold the record for outfielder caps when he retired for nothing.

Also, using your criteria, only the 11 players in 1966 can ever be legends which is ludicrous. As someone else pointed out, Dunk is an albion legend, as is Peter Ward.
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I don’t think you meant to quote me. I’ve said nothing about whether Beckham was a legend or not.

My point was really just that Beckham isn’t the stereotypical captain - a shouter an organiser. I did say he lead by example.
 


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philgull25 said:
Like Lewis Dunk
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Horton v Dunk as the most captainy captain we have had.

I know this is a complete reversal of the thread but ....
 




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Gonna face the wrath of NSC here.

Despite being the perfect vice captain foil for Dunk's style of leadership, I don't think Pascal is captain material and his results point to that.
 


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Beckham’s work rate was incredible. People who only watched him on TV for Man U would think he just pinged good crosses and took a nice free kick.

Anyone who watched him play for England from a seat in the ground knew he covered pretty much every blade of grass in a line from the middle of the pitch to the right touchline, was wonderfully skilful and, in later years, very much pushed his teammates.
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Massively overrated for England, that England era from when he was handed the captaincy it was all about him, the team stuttered because the tactic was only ever pass to Beckham and he would just hoof the ball around; and if we got a free kick it, the only tactic there was whether Beckham could score directly. A shame really because we had so many other good players - Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Owen. Paul Scholes, a technically superior player, had to be pushed out on the left so Beckham was shoehorned into the middle - regardless of form, and Scholes even retired early rather than waste his time being overlooked because Beckham always had to play no matter what, and during that whole period England churned generally lacklustre performances and massively underacheived. Oh and he was a shit captain as well
 


drew

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The Optimist said:
I don’t think you meant to quote me. I’ve said nothing about whether Beckham was a legend or not.

My point was really just that Beckham isn’t the stereotypical captain - a shouter an organiser. I did say he lead by example.
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Sorry but I was commenting on post 12. You now say he wasn't a shouter or an organiser but that's not the only way to lead. I'm not sure Bobby Moore led England by being shouty.
 


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drew said:
Sorry but I was commenting on post 12. You now say he wasn't a shouter or an organiser but that's not the only way to lead. I'm not sure Bobby Moore led England by being shouty.
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I’m not saying Beckham was a bad captain or anything like that. I simply took the question of non captainy captain to mean someone who didn’t appear to be a stereotypical captain.

And on the legend debate I would say he probably is an England legend.
 




drew

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I’m not saying Beckham was a bad captain or anything like that. I simply took the question of non captainy captain to mean someone who didn’t appear to be a stereotypical captain.

And on the legend debate I would say he probably is an England legend.
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Fair enough. We probably have different criteria for what the OP considers to be 'captainy'.
 


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