portlock seagull
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You’ll not hear many defending Boomers versus Gen Z, so no don’t agree yoof in the 50s and 60s had harder. Not at all! Nor do they when spoken to. Quite opposite.
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[Football] OAP Concessions
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Wardy's twin
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- Oct 21, 2014
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You can argue the rights and wrongs of age concessions but to be honest this isn't about that its about greedy clubs who can't manage their finances so are screwing easy targets. I am surprised that top 6 clubs haven't revolted on the £30 away ticket as they know they could get £90+ from a tourist for the same seat and also a big donation via the fans shop.
Brighton area properties cost 7x that of 1995, it wouldn’t be dissimilar across all of southern England. Nationally first time buyers have to save for 14 years for a sufficient deposit (unless they have wealthy parents or grandparents). In the mean time living with family or on sofas, if not stuck in the rental trap for good. Possibly the most demoralising time to be 18 to 35 since the 1950’s? Little wonder many in the age bracket now have mental health issues.
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Wardy's twin
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I am 67 and have one child still left in that age bracket and had two go through it. I see what I see , maybe its just my kids and their circle of friends but I saw plenty of poor kids in the 60's and know what it's like to come out of university to the highest rate of unemployment....
I think it depends on what you are really measuring and kids who finish university now have huge debts, much larger than my first mortgage and nothing tangible to show for it other than same bit of paper I got for nothing. House prices are staggering and hence mortgage costs are massive but equally everyone has a mobile, often has a car , have done more travelling than I have done. So it depends on the measures.
What is harder is the rate of change and level of uncertainty especially as large corporations are no longer the jobs for life and many careers are not going to span 40 years as they did in my working life.
Wardy's twin
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Hi @Westander I have expanded my response to say how kids are ripped off at university and house prices are ridiculous . That said 18-30s in the 1950s or 1960s would dream to have a house so to some extent they weren't demoralised because they didn't have the same expectation.
My view is simple , I had a good career not wealthy by any means but managed my income ok and will help my kids financially as much as I can...
Mobiles and weekends away don’t provide a roof over their heads and an independent future. Lots of driving-age young folk I know don’t drive. Where every male in the 70’s and 80’s in my family/friends rushed to pass their test at 17 and buy a secondhand car. Insurance alone these days might be £2k. Young people might eat out and travel, partly as bigger goals are unobtainable.
Chatting with some younger gen recently, it’s so hard for them to see a viable future in England. With the housing crisis it’s remarkable how civility and civilisation is maintained.
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portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
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Last paragraph by itself is enough to win argument of generations IMO. Never mind all the other ads yours your parents and my generation all have or had by comparison. A car or opportunity to travel is utterly incomparible next to having and owning a home, relative job security and even cultural norms for millennium changing at breakneck speed. Feck me, I’m so old there were just two genders when I was at school. Now there’s 47, and you can lose your job if you can’t name ‘em all!
Hi.
Circa 1960 a majority rented, from council or private sector. At a point not long after that, a majority owned their homes with a mortgage. Strict credit controls, bank/building society managers played god. But it was doable for people working. Many chose to still rent, a sometimes jam today thing in putting hedonism (booze) first.
The numbers now are obscene and unfair. It’s not party political. It’s 29 years of a housing price boom driven by a lack of supply (nimby councils), a 9m increase in population without a jot of strategic planning and until now low mortgage rates.
Median level incomes now in many professions aren’t enough. We didn’t realise it at the time, that we were fortunate.
Wardy's twin
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It is about expectations though... in the 50's & 60's people really didn't have them or money to spend on material things , even televisions were rented. Not many had cars and people lived with their parents at least until they got married and many stayed with them after. Boys often followed their dad's into the same job so there was little independence.
1970's things start to change but for many still not a lot of difference.
As I put in my other comments, education, housing and a life long career are what are very different now making people's prospects much more uncertain and that is frightening to many. I have kids so I have some tactile knowledge of what's happening.
Shropshire Seagull
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Not for everything ...
Seems golf memberships quite like to offer 18-30s a discount!
Super Steve Earle
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Back on topic, the Albion also has a large section in West Lower where there are no OAP concessions.
OAPs don't buy £100 shirts in the club shop
Ban them all.
Ban them all.
To be fair, there has always been that one central section in WSL from the start of the Amex that has no concessions to anyone (OAP, U18 etc)
It must also be particularly galling for 18-30s knowing it’s pretty much the immediately previous generations who put a stop to them having free uni education and cheap housing. These are both still available abroad but the right to live and work in Europe has also been taken away.
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….in the knowledge that absolutely no one in that age range plays golf
sussex_guy2k2
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You’re blaming millennials for the issues of the 18-30 group…? Crikey.
I think you know what I mean.
Terry Butcher Tribute Act
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I think we all know, deep down, that we'll probably follow suit within the next few seasons now the door is ajar.
Shocking that the big clubs have started this
Shocking that the big clubs have started this
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Thunder Bolt
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The shirts are £60, and we do, for our grandkids.