Thunder Bolt
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Disingenuous as usual LI. Nobody believes the EU is perfect.
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[Politics] Lee Anderson goes full Oswald Mosely
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Thunder Bolt
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jonny.rainbow
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Except at the last general election when he was the architect of Labour’s ‘negotiate a better deal and then give the people a second vote on it’ manifesto pledge. The pledge that cost Labour many of the ‘red wall’ seats.
Labour set to whip MPs to back a Final Say referendum
Boris Johnson to make a second attempt to win MPs’ approval for his Brexit deal in the House of Commons
www.independent.co.uk
London Irish
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Good lord, that's exactly the point I was making - "as usual" not grasped
Thunder Bolt
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The Referendum Act 2015 advisory only. Britain does not hold mandatory referenda.
Sir James Eadie (Theresa May’s government QC) admitted it was illegal in the High Court, and could be nullified if mandatory.
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That's fine with me. Politics was f***ed then, with May having plan after plan voted out (by her own party). It should have gone back to the nation. This time with the referendum binding, and with a requirement for a 60% 'for' to pass (like when we joined).Except at the last general election when he was the architect of Labour’s ‘negotiate a better deal and then give the people a second vote on it’ manifesto pledge. The pledge that cost Labour many of the ‘red wall’ seats.
Labour set to whip MPs to back a Final Say referendum
Boris Johnson to make a second attempt to win MPs’ approval for his Brexit deal in the House of Commons
Instead Johnson bulldozed a wanky Brexit that is still unfinished (e.g., Ireland). And now it is too late to fix.
I don't care that red wall gammon voted Johnson to 'get Brexit done'. I hope they are ashamed of themselves now.
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clapham_gull
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Create a non existent counter argument and argue against it.
drew
Drew
They've moved considerably away from the centre right position of their predecessors. Heath, Thatcher, Cameron and May were centre right but never to the extreme of the current mob. The moderate conservatives, as someone else alluded to, were purged from the party by Johnson. The party is not facist but some of the really extreme members are bordering on that level, particularly the likes of Braverman. As for your last sentence, how is stifling the right to protest a mark of free speech??
drew
Drew
Perhaps his view of an integrated Europe was because he hoped that would happen under Hitler and in return for supporting that ideal, he might be rewarded with some form of office in the UK?
London Irish
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Another person who thinks it's fine to ignore the fact that every single UK political leader pledged to carry out the results of the referendum immediately prior to the vote.
And we wonder why so many people have so little faith in our political system and politicians more generally?
drew
Drew
But they aren't his only two opinions though are they? Judge him on everything he says he believes!!
London Irish
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People of your centre-leftish persuasion flayed Corbyn for giving an honest answer to his assessment of the EU, which was 7 out of 10. A pretty reasonable score in fact, I'd take that for our midfielders most days.
They said he should have said 10 out of 10 to persuade voters to oppose Brexit. Those Remainiac arguments simply ignored the fact that the EU has very few starry eyed fans in this country. Telling people it was imperfect but worth saving was the way to win the referendum, because that was where the British people were at. But no, EU flag shagging had to be the way, apparently
Point of order, referendums are mandatory when they relate to voting people into the Commons. So the AV referendum in 2012(?) was mandatory, but none of the others have been.
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I can’t personally back the Lib Dems for reasons I’ve discussed previously. All the other options are extreme. Who else but the Tories? A strong centre-right opposition is needed for political balance in my opinionYes, but it doesn't necessarily have to be the tories
Whatever the reasons for voting for Johnson were, one was the fact that his opponent was viewed as being totally unelectable( i.e. even worse than Johnson) to a huge number of the electorate . The people who should really feel ashamed were the bods who elected Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party!
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
It's a bit late to reverse Brexit, even if anyone wants to.
What's done is done.
Would they want us back?
What's done is done.
Would they want us back?
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All @Thunder Bolt said was the referendum was not binding. That's fact.
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Precisely, so beating up Starmer for some sort of nit-picky bolleaux is ludicrous.
Where's @London Pompous when you need him?
drew
Drew
Have to say I find that quite comical. So the right leaning press that are the cheerleaders for likes of Patel, Braverman, etc don't consider every one to the left of those extremes as the 'loonie left'.
clapham_gull
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And he does it again.
In terms of his debating skills there really isn't a plan b is there ?
Construct the opposing argument then argue against it. It's very very post truth.