Pogue Mahone
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- Apr 30, 2011
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Especially with a white tie.
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[Politics] Lee Anderson goes full Oswald Mosely
- Thread starter Harry Wilson's tackle
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I dislike this comparison. Far be it from me to defend Moseley, but he was (by all accounts) intelligent, charming and erudite. I don't believe Lee could even spell those traits, never mind display them.
- Oct 20, 2022
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A very hard right, sweeping characterisation of the Pro-Palestinian demonstrations if you don’t mind me saying so.
Anti-semitism and Islamophobia are two sides of the same coin that de-humanises others. It matters not whether the target of such discrimination are Jewish or Muslim or any other cultural/racial/religious group but only that sectors of society are demonised based on cultural and/or religious difference or ethnicity - it matters in how discriminatory ideology is expressed in the form of exclusion policies, curtailment of political and civil rights, law and order and ultimately in the form of genocide or/and ethnic cleansing.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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The way I see Anderson, Braverman, Tice, Farage and Reform UK.
Unpleasant? Very
Incompetent Certainly
Racist? I think there is strong evidence
Fascist? In my understanding, this is where racial hatred is backed up with organised intimidation and violence. So no I don’t agree this is the case. Potentially in the future? Who knows. And we should never be complacent. But the accusation in the opening post is that Reform UK are the new British Fascists.
Though I don’t like Reform UK, they aren’t the National Front. They aren’t even as brazen as the BNP. Concerningly they are polling 12% and this is likely enough to influence the outcome of the election. For this reason, they can’t just be ignored. If you dismiss the 12% of the UK electorate willing to vote for them as fascists, how are you ever going to get them to see sense and engage with mainstream thinking
Unpleasant? Very
Incompetent Certainly
Racist? I think there is strong evidence
Fascist? In my understanding, this is where racial hatred is backed up with organised intimidation and violence. So no I don’t agree this is the case. Potentially in the future? Who knows. And we should never be complacent. But the accusation in the opening post is that Reform UK are the new British Fascists.
Though I don’t like Reform UK, they aren’t the National Front. They aren’t even as brazen as the BNP. Concerningly they are polling 12% and this is likely enough to influence the outcome of the election. For this reason, they can’t just be ignored. If you dismiss the 12% of the UK electorate willing to vote for them as fascists, how are you ever going to get them to see sense and engage with mainstream thinking
London Irish
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Yes that must have been a very uncomfortable moment for him, often in the Labour party you do have to hold banners of the party leader in group shots. If you are trying to imply he was a supporter of Corbyn, that is a massive fib, he's always been a fixer of the Labour Right.
Here's the contemporaneous truth https://www.chad.co.uk/news/lee-anderson-deselected-as-labour-candidate-1056027
“I can only put it down to the fact that I don’t always toe the line - I did not back Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour party and I was in favour of Brexit"
Thunder Bolt
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I agree but so was Corbyn (in favour of Brexit).
Oh you won't find me disagreeing that he was a wrong 'unand a MASSIVE wrong 'un.
I was hoping the comparison would annoy Reform supporters. Unless I have those on NSC all on ignore, it seems they are delighted with it.
Nobby Cybergoat
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He campaigned for remain
Thunder Bolt
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He hardly campaigned at all. It was Labour policy to back Remain but Corbyn's own preference was Brexit. He thought cheap foreign labour was stealing jobs from British workers.
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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THIS THIS THIS
In an attempt to cheer myself up I just looked at the same.
The surname of Hove n Portslades PPC
Hove and Portslade Constituency - Martin Hess PPC Reform UK
Martin Hess is the PPC (Prospective Parliamentary Candidate) for the Hove and Portslade constituency and will be your Reform UK representative at the next General Election.www.reformparty.uk
Mega lol.
Please come to my house to campaign Martin. Really.
nicko31
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He went AWOL during the referendum campaign, in my book his abstinence got it over the line.
- Jul 10, 2003
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I don't think that 12% of the UK electorate are willing to vote for them as fascists, as you point out above I think that the majority of the 12% would vote for them because of a mixture of
They like unpleasantness (as long as it's aimed at others)
They're totally incapable of recognising incompetence
They are probably a bit racist
I suspect that most of them wouldn't recognise a fascist trait if it danced naked in front of them singing loudly 'I'm a fascist trait'
How you ever get them to see sense and engage with mainstream thinking though and not just vote for the next magic bean seller, I have no idea
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Cordwainer
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I can’t wait to have a full frank and meaningful doorstep discussion on all of their fantastically well thought out, well written and extremely achievable policies.
Please come to my house to campaign Martin. Really.
Thunder Bolt
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He's a 1901 member apparently.
Please come to my house to campaign Martin. Really.
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I don’t read the Guardian and thought Corbyn an unelectable little shit, yet still find the present conservative party a bunch of wanna facists, who come across as a bunch of ****s.
no one has said being patriotic makes you a Nazi, however using your patriotism as some justification for being a racist, homophobic prick does.
London Irish
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No he wasn't, you need to improve your news sources. The Labour Party policy under Corbyn was "Remain and Reform". Like every politician before the referendum, he pledged to carry out the wishes of the voters re. the referendum result, like any true democrat. Large parts of the Labour Party (but not him) and the Lib Dems scabbed on those promises to voters - allowing the likes of Farage and Anderson to prosper by pointing out an obvious betrayal
Thunder Bolt
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I said the Labour Party policy was Remain. After the vote Corbyn talked about his preference in an interview on tv, that I watched. When asked if he would vote against Theresa May's Bill, he said he would follow democracy (ahem) and that 'ship' had sailed.
Others realised that Vote Leave had broken electoral law, and were going to oppose it.