[Politics] Lee Anderson goes full Oswald Mosely

Kinky Gerbil said:

I predict that a large chunk of those that are claiming to vote reform will end up voting Tories, when it comes to it they won't want Labour in

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Nobby Cybergoat said:

Agree with this.

What we don't have is the organised militarilsm which is normally associated with fascism. I don't think the occasional Braverman inspired drunken meathead, football thug, statue protection mob currently count. But I'd accept the point this is a situation to be keeping an eye on

In this day and age, risks abound and cool heads are required on all sides.

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heathgate said:

Au contraire monsieur.... most realistic Conservatives likely have no expectations of avoiding an election defeat anytime soon, it is entirely possible that a drift to this alternative option, even if only for a one-time protest vote, is a real prospect....

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London Irish said:

Reminder that he was a Labour Party member up until 2018 (the main organiser of the then Labour MP) and was accused by all the media of being driven out of Labour by Jeremy Corbyn

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The Clamp said:

In an interview with the right-leaning Spectator shortly before his appointment, Anderson proudly proclaimed that the UK should bring back the death penalty because “nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed”.

“You know that don’t you? 100 per cent success rate,” he added.

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“If they don’t like the accommodation, they can get on a dinghy back to France” Lee told Braverman.

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The Clamp said:

These are fascist comments. If you argue they are not, it’s likely because you hold the same views and don’t want to be recognised as a fascist.

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Sussax said:

This. Labour are a shoo-in and think this will lead to a larger vote for Reform and Independents.

Expect it will be similar to UKIP in 2015, relatively high % of voters, but not many/any seats and they’ll disappear if the Tories get their act even slightly together.

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Baldrick said:

I find it odd a lot of socialists on this forum think a politician who is politically centre right is a fascist like Oswald Moseley. Just because someone is centre right doesn't make them far right or a fascist. On a scale of 1 to 10, someone who is centre left is possibly a 4 or 5 and someone centre right is possibly a 6 or 7 out of 10. Someone far right would be an 8, 9 or 10 out of 10. A bit of perspective is needed.

The current Tory goverment keeps piching Labour's policies. There is probably little difference between Sunak's and Starmer's policies . I would say both leaders are centre left in their outlooks, even if they have had different upbringings. I would score both 5 out of 10.

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Nobby Cybergoat said:

Just don't agree.

Belief in the death penalty and a strong anti-immigration stance aren't enough in themselves to be using these sort of words



Silly comment. We can debate this without smearing each other

I accept your earlier point about the need for vigilance and the risk of sliding into a much worse situation than we currently have

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The Clamp said:

The only real difference between the NF and mobs like Reform is the age we live in.

You have to be a bit smarter and not as overt these days. The language NF used won’t fly in 2024. The intent however, is EXACTLY the same.

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Thunder Bolt said:

The centre right like Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Philip Hammond, Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart, and the other 16 MPs who were forced out by Boris Johnson in 2019?

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BLOCK F said:

Whatever anybody thinks, after a heavy GE defeat, if the Tory party want to get back into power, and they will want to, they will eventually have to come to their senses and regain their centre right credentials. Thankfully, the vast majority of voters in this country do not like extremism, either coming from the left or right. If a few on the far right of the Tory party want to join Reform or some other weird party, then so be it. Likewise, some on the left of the Labour Party would rather see a more left approach by their party than what it is believed that Keir Starmer will represent. Given a bit of time, there will be mutterings of dissatisfaction and a few dinosaurs will do what they have always done, but when shit comes to shove, thankfully, the centre ground will win the day, whether it is centre left or centre right.

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heathgate said:

The Conservatives are absolutely still a centre right party.... those further to the right still have their say of course, they still get voted in, but they are a minority.... if you think they are a far right party, you need to look at the far right parties across Europe... AFD for example, they are proper far right entities.....

You are seemingly following the vocal left social media crowd.. "if you don't support Corbyn or at least read the Guardian daily, you are a fascist"..... laughable.

Believing in a free market economy, free speech and have a patriotic attitude towards your nation, does not make you an effin Nazi.

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

After starting out in labour, via a stint with the tories, Anderson is about to join the new British fascists. Heartwarming scenes.

Mosely went Tory, Labour, Fascist, so there is a small difference. And unlike Mosely, Anderson does not have the 'breeding' (or sense of entitlement to be precise) to presume to become leader.

The question is whether Sunk's reaction will be to follow his brain (and draw the tories back to the centre) or follow his other brain and attempt to 'out-****' the facists with new ludicrous right wing policies. My money is on the latter

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jcdenton08 said:

The internet has put paid to free speech. We’ve seen it on here, let alone absolute cesspits like Twitter.

“Cancellation” has killed open debate. All it takes is a few thousand people on a mission on Twitter to wilfully misinterpret any argument (or about six on here, pro-rata’d down).

The problem is relative anonymity of the internet and a victim culture. Reasonable debate and compromise is lost to the ages - now it’s one extreme or the other.

So you end up with the Tories shifting further right, grass roots socialists shifting further left - and moderates in the middle scratching their heads where it all went wrong.

Oh and 50p Lee is a cretin and I don’t like him.

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Guinness Boy said:

Free market economy I'll give you. Labour currently believe in a version of that though, and the Lib Dems believe in almost exactly the same. So far, so 'tacit centrist'.

The problems come with the latter two. Free speech? Only if you agree with them. While GB News is the biggest right wing echo chamber ever known, Braverman is trying to stop peaceful protest, unless it agrees with her POV. And I'd argue that trying to change the law to define something as 'safe' that has been ruled unsafe by the highest court in the land is a version of patriotism that wants to override the country's courts in order to pack a few brown people off to Rwanda. Authoritarian, in breach of international law, populist nonsense. It conforms with every definition of fascism.

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