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[Politics] Lee Anderson goes full Oswald Mosely
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The National Front, you say?
Tell me the differences in policies between the Tories, Reform and the National Front. PS Change Common Market to EU.
I predict that a large chunk of those that are claiming to vote reform will end up voting Tories, when it comes to it they won't want Labour in.
Nobby Cybergoat
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- Jul 19, 2021
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Agree with this.
What we don't have is the organised militarilsm which is normally associated with fascism. I don't think the occasional Braverman inspired drunken meathead, football thug, statue protection mob currently count. But I'd accept the point this is a situation to be keeping an eye on
In this day and age, risks abound and cool heads are required on all sides.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Using the Union flag at every opportunity (insisting on MPs having it in their living room whilst being interviewed) Ultranationalist. £8 million set aside for every school to have a large portrait of the king.
Militariasm - patriotism. You're not patriotic if you don't support their policies and even accusing people of being unpatriotic if you criticise them in public (yes, I have been accused of that but then tell them I am a veteran, which confuses them)
Centralised autocracy - deliberately running down funds to local authorities especially Labour-controlled, promising levelling up but not delivering.
Just a few examples.
Is it fascism yet?
No
Is it fascism yet?
Nooo
Is it fascism yet?
Nooo not quite
Are we at fascism yet?
Almost, not quite..
Is it fascism yet?
Ah. Yes. It is. Too late, I’m afraid. Sorry. Didn’t see it coming.
Simple. There is a huge difference between stopping illegal immigration & all immigration as per the National Front.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
There is a mob akin to Yaxley-Lennon's lot and others who have been led into thinking that lefties and immigrants want to attack War Memorials. Unfortunately, many of them are squaddies who think they are being patriotic. Culture wars.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Sigh. Asylum seekers are not illegal. Calling them illegal is government propaganda
Here we go, down the rabbit hole.
Reform policy is net zero immigration.
London Irish
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Reminder that he was a Labour Party member up until 2018 (the main organiser of the then Labour MP) and was accused by all the media of being driven out of Labour by Jeremy Corbyn
Nobby Cybergoat
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Again, plenty of countries do this which aren't fascist countries.
Some might even do it expressly to fight fascism.
To be totally clear, I'm not in any way supportive of Lee Anderson or right wing politics. I just think that the use of the word fascism is hyperbolic in this context
The only real difference between the NF and mobs like Reform is the age we live in.
You have to be a bit smarter and not as overt these days. The language NF used won’t fly in 2024. The intent however, is EXACTLY the same.
You have to be a bit smarter and not as overt these days. The language NF used won’t fly in 2024. The intent however, is EXACTLY the same.
I find it odd a lot of socialists on this forum think a politician who is politically centre right is a fascist like Oswald Moseley. Just because someone is centre right doesn't make them far right or a fascist. On a scale of 1 to 10, someone who is centre left is possibly a 4 or 5 and someone centre right is possibly a 6 or 7 out of 10. Someone far right would be an 8, 9 or 10 out of 10. A bit of perspective is needed.
The current Tory goverment keeps piching Labour's policies. There is probably little difference between Sunak's and Starmer's policies . I would say both leaders are centre left in their outlooks, even if they have had different upbringings. I would score both 5 out of 10.
The current Tory goverment keeps piching Labour's policies. There is probably little difference between Sunak's and Starmer's policies . I would say both leaders are centre left in their outlooks, even if they have had different upbringings. I would score both 5 out of 10.
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I wonder what is actually causing this general drift to the right.... across Europe, democratic votes have repeatedly returned a swing of increased numbers for parties who can be labelled as various shades of right of centre.
It can't just be down to traditional boomers and older folk sticking to dated views of the world, those guys are getting fewer as years go by but there still seems to be a core of votes holding those numbers on the right.
It can't just be down to traditional boomers and older folk sticking to dated views of the world, those guys are getting fewer as years go by but there still seems to be a core of votes holding those numbers on the right.
In an interview with the right-leaning Spectator shortly before his appointment, Anderson proudly proclaimed that the UK should bring back the death penalty because “nobody has ever committed a crime after being executed”.
“You know that don’t you? 100 per cent success rate,” he added.
And ;
“If they don’t like the accommodation, they can get on a dinghy back to France” Lee told Braverman.
These are fascist comments. If you argue they are not, it’s likely because you hold the same views and don’t want to be recognised as a fascist.
“You know that don’t you? 100 per cent success rate,” he added.
And ;
“If they don’t like the accommodation, they can get on a dinghy back to France” Lee told Braverman.
These are fascist comments. If you argue they are not, it’s likely because you hold the same views and don’t want to be recognised as a fascist.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The centre right like Dominic Grieve, Anna Soubry, Philip Hammond, Ken Clarke, Rory Stewart, and the other 16 MPs who were forced out by Boris Johnson in 2019?
Nobby
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- Sep 29, 2007
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So what are Reform's aims \ policies?