BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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My guess is those you are describing aren't going to learn much respect from stint in the army. It would probably be a waste of time and money.
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[News] Should we Bring Back National Service?
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
A few years ago, I wanted some repointing done. I asked for quotes. Three never bothered replying, two quoted ridiculous prices, and one Polish bloke gave us a reasonable price.
Guess who got the job, and did a good job?
- Jul 10, 2003
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Now the prisons are full, the justice system is falling apart and the police are so underfunded that they can't manage, dump the ASBOs on the army type thing
There are full apprenticeships at the company I work for, and some of the lads have excelled, You can see they may well not have under different circumstances, there are also some older guys, ex military . . . Weapons grade scrotes in their younger years, by their own admission, one of them still is IMO. But they have skills and are assets to the company and society as a whole . . . I wouldn't wish the army on anyone, but a form of training/education on a national level can't be a bad idea.
Algernon
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Considering some subjects that are taught in schools nowadays couldn't we teach some form of basic warcraft or soldiering at least?
Maybe how to take apart and reassemble the latest machine gun or how to zero in a sniper rifle.
Possibly which part of an enemy to shoot so he causes the most inconvenience to his comrades, how to sneak up behind an armed guard and send him to sleep....permanently.
Or even how to hack the enemy's cyber defence systems?
Pre conflict life skills 1.0.1
Part ready for further murderous education and conscription.
Maybe how to take apart and reassemble the latest machine gun or how to zero in a sniper rifle.
Possibly which part of an enemy to shoot so he causes the most inconvenience to his comrades, how to sneak up behind an armed guard and send him to sleep....permanently.
Or even how to hack the enemy's cyber defence systems?
Pre conflict life skills 1.0.1
Part ready for further murderous education and conscription.
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Half of them join the army voluntarily, it legitimises their frustration based violent streak . . . . Its either that, drug dealing or football.Now the prisons are full, the justice system is falling apart and the police are so underfunded that they can't manage, dump the ASBOs on the army type thing
I think thats a pretty good sweeping generalisation for this early on a Sunday morning. . .
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Surely education ticks these boxes? Rather than finding training through the army perhaps the education system can be looked at and funded?
cjd
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If this is like an Agatha Christie issue, I, m going to suggest it was the second one of the three that never bothered to reply.
What do I win..?
withdeanwombat
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Hell yes! Make all the young layabouts join up. Why should they have the same rights and freedoms I had as a young layabout?
Something like the Duke of Edinburgh scheme, you mean?
- Oct 20, 2022
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We have certainly reduced our spending at a time when NATO needs more investment not less and spending lower percentage of our GPD than Countries that form the NATO axis (understandably) :Same thing, funding our armed force to meet nato agreement.
Nato: Which countries are paying their fair share on defence?
The alliance expects each member nation to spend at least 2% of its gross domestic product on defence, but plenty are falling short.www.forces.net
Lots of big hitters here that don't, UK is just over the 2%
Chart is from 2023, so could be slightly out of date.
Latest trends show EU and allies have increased NATO defence spending
NO This has already been addressed up thread - that is not what the army leaders or media are talking about at all.
I think you can understand why Canada are reluctant to. They’re not a great expeditionary force, and never really have been. They’re not a nuclear power. They face no real direct threat.
I wasn’t addressing what the army leaders or media may have been talking about; I was addressing what you promulgated. The DofE does indeed exactly capture what you typed about your own opinion.
Coldeanseagull
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Respect is top of my list. Respect for others peoples property and the environment...and the way they dress....themselves!
I'm sure my elders thought the same of me, but you just want to grab them by the shoulders and vigorously shake some sense into them!
- Oct 20, 2022
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You have taken my comment out of context - This whole thread is addressing what the media and army leaders have been talking about - I said I have no idea what a National Service would look like and am not promulgated anything - I said some form of non-compulsory National Service might be a good idea as something that that could be part of the overall debate but certainly not advocating it. Bringing back any shape or form of National Service however certainly wouldn’t be for the intended purpose of giving young people life skills and volunteering opportunities or helping them apply to further education - there are plenty of those opportunities including the DoE (as also discussed up thread) - the idea/point of any form of national service (whether it be compulsory or otherwise (along the lines that other Countries in the EU /Eastern Europe are beginning to introduce and MSM is discussing ) is to increase preparedness should NATO be engaged in a direct conflict/come under attack with a non-NATO country like Russia.
Anyway, I am backing out of this thread. I have no strong opinions either way so refuse to be drawn The possibility of conscription or a voluntary form of military service came up in various news stories last week in the context of Ukraine and given how significant that is, I thought it worthy of a poll or discussion..especially when there is a consensus that our conventional forces have been substantially reduced since the end of the cold war and that may need revisiting.
UK armed forces not ready for high-intensity war, MPs warn
The armed forces are losing people faster than they can recruit them, says committee of MPs.
www.bbc.co.uk
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BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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To be honest I don't, most of the youth I encounter are decent and respectful. They do dress like they are going to a fancy dress party but if the youth don't dress in a way us old farts find weird then they ain't doing it right.
Not out of context at all. I quoted an entire paragraph - which started with the words “I think…”; that’s generally taken as a reasonable indicator that what follows is an opinion.
You also mused about “…a tiered level of commitment…”, which is exactly what the DofE offers.
Your assertions now in relation to my posts about what you posted and about whether what you posted amounted to an opinion or not are imo disingenuous.
If you don’t think that the DofE meets what you advocated then fair enough. I think it does.
“Im backing out of this thread”? I doubt it. I am though.