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J

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Jul 7, 2003
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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
OK, you may feel complicit. I don't.

Anyway all the parties even Cameron are calling for a ceasefire now, are they not? They can now all feel super virtuous, while Bibi carries on with the slaughter.

Not sure anyone is defending Bibi and co every step of the way..... Have I not asked you a million billion times to not exaggerate? Perhaps not.

I know we all want this to stop but venting at an opposition party MP from Hove is ludicrous. I loath Sunk and gang but it would be churlish even to blame our tiny and bad tempered PM for the genocide, let alone an opposition MP.
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I don’t feel complicit in the slightest, you’re twisting my words. Our government IS though, along with Starmer and anyone who abstained or voted against a ceasefire. As is the international community, which for over 75 years has allowed Israel to carry on with impunity.

And God forbid should anyone disagree with an MP, even an opposition one! No need to call for a policeman, I’m handing myself in.
 




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:J) said:
I don’t feel complicit in the slightest, you’re twisting my words. Our government IS though, along with Starmer and anyone who abstained or voted against a ceasefire. As is the international community, which for over 75 years has allowed Israel to carry on with impunity.

And God forbid should anyone disagree with an MP, even an opposition one! No need to call for a policeman, I’m handing myself in.
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The creation of Israel in the way it was created was folly. But that's history. And so your take on the last 75 years is partial. The Arabs have always wanted to throw the jews into the sea. America holds all the cards. The 'international community' is what, exactly? The whole world? This hjas all been dealt with mose eloquently on this thread by @Zeberdi and others.

You will be please to know that some in Labour have been 'speaking out'. Oh....hang on....

Unfortunately it is now too late for labour to bin their candidate in the Rochdale Byelection who has apologised profusely for saying "They deliberately took the security off, they allowed … that massacre that gives them the green light to do whatever they bloody want.”. Oh dear. They wanted to be beaten up. It was an open invitation. Contributory negligence!

Anti-semites just cannot help themselves it seems. However because the candidate cannot now be replaced because the byelection is too soon the right is having a field day by claiming that Starmer supports the antisemitism. Even the Independent; from their website "Meanwhile, Labour is facing mounting pressure for their continued support of Rochdale’s by-election candidate after he claimed Israel deliberately relaxed security to allow Hamas to carry out their 7 October attack, to provide grounds to invade Gaza."

Politics is the art of the possible. For you some good honest condemnation of Israel seems to be the start and the finish of it. Join the queue, but be careful to not get too chummy with the bloke in front of you.
 


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Jul 16, 2003
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I disagree.

Sure, an individual won’t persuade a foreign power to stop what they’re doing. But he had a vote as an MP to make a difference, and he chose to follow the party-line of abstaining on a ceasefire. So practically all Tories and Labour (with a few notable exceptions) gave Bibi the green light to continue the onslaught, along with the US and most of the EU (again with some exceptions). Making us complicit.

With issues such as these - you need to speak out, and as far as I’m aware the Honourable Member for Hove hasn’t been critical of the Israeli government at all, and has defended them every step of the way.
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I've mentioned this before....Peter Kyle is Chair of Labour Friends of Israel and close to Starmer.

He's not going to speak up against the ongoing genocide.
 


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I just heard labour have withdrawn support for the gobshite in Rochdale. Does that mean Labour are OK again, or should we still condemn them for turning a blind eye to the evils of Israel for the last 1,000 years?
 


Westdene Seagull

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Any one still claiming the Israeli response is measured and proportionate needs to.watch this report

The IDF and the Israeli government are absolute scum of the earth and need to be standing in The Hague and punished for their crimes.
 




Psychobilly freakout

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Feb 23, 2009
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Westdene Seagull said:
Any one still claiming the Israeli response is measured and proportionate needs to.watch this report

The IDF and the Israeli government are absolute scum of the earth and need to be standing in The Hague and punished for their crimes.
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Not gonna happen is it, just strong words from the USA & Uk....

They will do what they want to do, I can only come to the conclusion that Israel or the powers that be in charge want the Palestinian people removed from the complete Gaza strip denying the Palestinian people access to the sea. I would not put it past them to then turn their attentions to the west bank and drive them from there too...

Genocide is the only word that springs to mind, be careful what you wish for Israel, history repeats it's self and your asking for a back lash from countries that won't think twice about dropping a dirty bomb on you.
 


BenGarfield

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
The creation of Israel in the way it was created was folly. But that's history. And so your take on the last 75 years is partial. The Arabs have always wanted to throw the jews into the sea. America holds all the cards. The 'international community' is what, exactly? The whole world? This hjas all been dealt with mose eloquently on this thread by @Zeberdi and others.

You will be please to know that some in Labour have been 'speaking out'. Oh....hang on....

Unfortunately it is now too late for labour to bin their candidate in the Rochdale Byelection who has apologised profusely for saying "They deliberately took the security off, they allowed … that massacre that gives them the green light to do whatever they bloody want.”. Oh dear. They wanted to be beaten up. It was an open invitation. Contributory negligence!

Anti-semites just cannot help themselves it seems. However because the candidate cannot now be replaced because the byelection is too soon the right is having a field day by claiming that Starmer supports the antisemitism. Even the Independent; from their website "Meanwhile, Labour is facing mounting pressure for their continued support of Rochdale’s by-election candidate after he claimed Israel deliberately relaxed security to allow Hamas to carry out their 7 October attack, to provide grounds to invade Gaza."

Politics is the art of the possible. For you some good honest condemnation of Israel seems to be the start and the finish of it. Join the queue, but be careful to not get too chummy with the bloke in front of you.
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Why do you think what the Rochdale Labour candidate
Harry Wilson's tackle said:
The creation of Israel in the way it was created was folly. But that's history. And so your take on the last 75 years is partial. The Arabs have always wanted to throw the jews into the sea. America holds all the cards. The 'international community' is what, exactly? The whole world? This hjas all been dealt with mose eloquently on this thread by @Zeberdi and others.

You will be please to know that some in Labour have been 'speaking out'. Oh....hang on....

Unfortunately it is now too late for labour to bin their candidate in the Rochdale Byelection who has apologised profusely for saying "They deliberately took the security off, they allowed … that massacre that gives them the green light to do whatever they bloody want.”. Oh dear. They wanted to be beaten up. It was an open invitation. Contributory negligence!

Anti-semites just cannot help themselves it seems. However because the candidate cannot now be replaced because the byelection is too soon the right is having a field day by claiming that Starmer supports the antisemitism. Even the Independent; from their website "Meanwhile, Labour is facing mounting pressure for their continued support of Rochdale’s by-election candidate after he claimed Israel deliberately relaxed security to allow Hamas to carry out their 7 October attack, to provide grounds to invade Gaza."

Politics is the art of the possible. For you some good honest condemnation of Israel seems to be the start and the finish of it. Join the queue, but be careful to not get too chummy with the bloke in front of you.
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What the Labour candidate said was antisemitic? It’s possibly incorrect but why antisemitic?
 


aolstudios

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BenGarfield said:
Why do you think what the Rochdale Labour candidate


What the Labour candidate said was antisemitic? It’s possibly incorrect but why antisemitic?
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It's conspiracy theory piffle that's close to Antisemitic at the least. Add him blaming "People in the media from certain Jewish quarters" for another candidate's demise sealed the deal.
He appears to be a brain dead fool who has a problem with Jews & that's just going by what he's said on the record.
For Starmer to be prepared to give this seat away is a hell of a precedent (a good one, imo)
 




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BenGarfield said:
Why do you think what the Rochdale Labour candidate


What the Labour candidate said was antisemitic? It’s possibly incorrect but why antisemitic?
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Because it is.

You fool!
 




Zeberdi

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chip said:
I think this thread demonstrates why humanity will always have these problems until we eventually wipe ourselves out.
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As do half the threads on NSC - people not listening, trolling threads or people they don’t like, not being able to see nuance in situations and incapable of stepping outside the echo chamber. But there are also great debates, informed discussions and compassion for others expressed too.

’Humanity’ isn’t perfect and reflects a broad spectrum of people, some of whom are genuinely good people and capable of embracing those that come from different cultural/ethnic backgrounds.

Humanity has the capacity for ’good’ as well as ‘bad’. It’s all down to the choices we make as to how we behave/live.
 
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chip said:
I think this thread demonstrates why humanity will always have these problems until we eventually wipe ourselves out.
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We can do better than that.

Consider, mainstream telly no longer shows Bernard Manning, Love Thy Neighbour, or that other shite, name escapes me (language school, where we can all laugh at the silly foringers).

One, if one has the bent, can always find shite to wank over off the internet, and there will always be a swamp.

Meanwhile he rest of us can rise above, as we engage with better :thumbsup:
 


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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
Because it is.

You fool!
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"Mr Ali is alleged to have blamed "people in the media from certain Jewish quarters"

Which certain quarters would that be? The money lenders? The Zionists? The Great conspiracists? The usurers?

Or the antiquarians. Or the philosophers. The physicians. The architects?

Mmmmmm...........now let me think a bit............Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........

:shrug:
 


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Jan 20, 2010
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BenGarfield said:
Why do you think what the Rochdale Labour candidate


What the Labour candidate said was antisemitic? It’s possibly incorrect but why antisemitic?
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You have the lol from AOL and have upset wrinkled Harry Wilson's Tackle. God knows why.
The slaughter continues.
Israel
 






nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
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Gods country fortnightly
Filmed over a year an insight of how life for the Palestinians in the West Bank has gone from bad to worse. Driven from their land by illegal Israeli settlers, meanwhile the army looks the other way.

A tough watch...

www.channel4.com

West Bank settler expansion: a year on the frontline

In the West Bank tensions between Israelis and Palestinians have been a fact of life for decades.
www.channel4.com www.channel4.com
 


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borat

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Jul 16, 2003
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Quoting the UN report.

''Palestinian women and girls have reportedly been arbitrarily executed in Gaza, often together with family members, including their children, according to information received. “We are shocked by reports of the deliberate targeting and extrajudicial killing of Palestinian women and children in places where they sought refuge, or while fleeing. Some of them were reportedly holding white pieces of cloth when they were killed by the Israeli army or affiliated forces,” the experts said''

 
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J

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Breaking news: 77 people killed and about 250 injured by Israeli strikes while waiting for aid



Nothing on the BBC, Sky News, ITV or Channel 4 - but there is this bit of essential breaking news on BBC World:

 




J

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Breaking news update: At least 104 killed and about 750 injured whilst trying to access aid (bags of flour).

BBC and Sky News have caught up with the news, and seek clarification from the IDF. Three available options:
1. Stampede
2. A truck (driven by a civilian)
3. Hamas


Alternatively:
 




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