- Jan 3, 2012
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Unbelievable.
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[Politics] Important story on the Shoreham disaster today - *update, petition to stop Andy Hill flying*
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jakarta
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To be fair that happened for years, I remember driving up the A27 with a Spitfire and Me109 mock dogfighting over me!
- Jan 3, 2012
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But if I remember rightly findings from the air accident enquiry were that he started the manoeuvre too low and that he was never going to get out of it. And there had been earlier instances of concern over his attitude to flying.
i have no idea how these things work, but I wouldn’t be happy if he took to the skies again. I presume his pilot’s licence was suspended/revoked?
jakarta
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I think the whole Shoreham Airshow is now history, whatever the Hunter crash resulted in.
Eastbourne is very different as it takes place over the Sea.
Yes, I'm sure he will never fly again.
Shropshire Seagull
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In no way defending the pilot, he made a catastrophic misjudgement that cost lives.
You are wrong to say the "whole" manoeuvre was over a busy dual carriageway. The point of contact with the ground was the A27 but if the pilot had started his ill-judged manoeuvre half a second later, 50 foot higher, he would have missed the road completely.
The fact he hit the road was a tragic fluke bourne from negligent flying.
Manslaughter (x9) should be the charge.
AmexRuislip
Trainee Spy 🕵️♂️
Signed.
That scumbag shouldn't be allowed to drive a golf cart, never mind pilot a plane again.
GOM
living vicariously
Today's society. Such vehemence. So black and white.
He made a catastrophic mistake with horrendous consequences, as have many people have in the past. He is not the only person to be responsible for killing due to a misjudgement, negligence, or however you want to label it, but do drivers that kill get their licence back eventually ?
I hope you never make a mistake, there is only a small margin between mistakes being inconsequential and tragic.
This in no way should be read as anything other than a reply to the post and not a comment on the actual tragedy that occurred.
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It was more than a mistake though. It was a series of failings and mistakes.
No pilot should ever have flown in parallel over a major road like that - it wasn’t in the flight plan nor approved.
Seeing as his ‘memory loss’ was also a big problem I’d question how someone suffering from that is a suitable pilot
Daddies_Sauce
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Signed.
Official Old Man
Uckfield Seagull
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There's making a mistake when you go to the supermarket and forget to pay for an avocado and there's making a mistake when you're extremely arrogant and in charge of a high speed bomb full of jet fuel that you've chosen to pilot over a duel carriageway full of queuing cars and people including young families watching.
I just don't want him making the second kind again. Do you?
Hill has re applied for his pilots licence, according to the makers of this documentary
https://www.discoveryplus.com/gb/show/fatal-flight-shoreham
There is a petition opposing this see link below.
Prevent Pilot Andrew Hill from reacquiring a Flying License
https://www.discoveryplus.com/gb/show/fatal-flight-shoreham
There is a petition opposing this see link below.
Prevent Pilot Andrew Hill from reacquiring a Flying License
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Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Drivers who kill often lose their licences for ten years. It hasn't even been 10 years since the Shoreham disaster.
It wasn't just one or two people who died but eleven. He knew he wasn't in control, but didn't even try to put the plane down in a field or on the river. He just bailed out to save his own life.
There is a memorial in Sheffield to an American plane, in WW2, who saw houses, and kids playing in a park when his plane was failing. He crashed it into a bank and trees so only he and his crew died, nobody local.
GT49er
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Signed.
227 BHA
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Signed.
I heard from an ex-pilot who commented on numerous air shows that Hill had previously been warned as he was known to show off and take risks - this couldn’t be used as evidence as he never had a formal warning for those actions.
He was convinced he was was guilty and astonished he got off - I am gobsmacked he has the audacity to even think about flying again.
Shows a complete lack of remorse and responsibility for his actions
I heard from an ex-pilot who commented on numerous air shows that Hill had previously been warned as he was known to show off and take risks - this couldn’t be used as evidence as he never had a formal warning for those actions.
He was convinced he was was guilty and astonished he got off - I am gobsmacked he has the audacity to even think about flying again.
Shows a complete lack of remorse and responsibility for his actions
Shropshire Seagull
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Incorrect, read the AAIB report. He was not flying parallel to the A27
Shropshire Seagull
Well-known member
Incorrect, read the AAIB report. He did not bail out, pilot was still in the aircraft when it hit the ground.
If you hit the ground at the bottom of a loop there is no choice where to "put down". It's a very different scenario to the WW2 bomber that had time to select where to ditch.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm in no way defending the lack of flying skills of Andy Hill. His first mistake was insufficient speed going into his loop assent, this then ment his second mistake was the top of his loop was too low. If he'd glanced at one of his two altimeters he would have realised and aborted the manoeuvre at the top of the loop, his 3rd and fateful mistake. Once committed to the loop descent, he was doomed. He ran out of altitude and it was a tragic fluke that point of impact was the A27.
50 foot higher at the top of the loop would likely have missed the road and hit the field, 100 foot higher and he may not have hit the ground at all.
Sad and tragic misjudgement.