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[Albion] Positives from Today (West Ham away)



Nobby Cybergoat

Nobby Cybergoat

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Simster said:
Again, this is subjective. I guess RDZ knew that Soucek was going to miss a sitter from 4 yards too?

West Ham are 3 points clear of us half way through the season. You seem supremely confident they will finish 10th or 11th based on watching two matches of theirs. Tell that to Arsenal.
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West Ham had very few chances. We had loads.

I just hate this bollocks about Moyes pulling off some kind of tactical masterstroke against us. There's no tactics at all. Just retreat the entire team to the penalty box and pray.

A lot has to go your way for that to work once, let alone twice. But hey football is like that I guess.
 




Nobby Cybergoat

Nobby Cybergoat

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Greenbag50 said:
Difference is wages between us and West Ham, and they have a 60k stadium revenue income.
We are a better footballing team to watch.
Do we want to win trophies or be a better footballing team?
What would you prefer?
And that is a genuine NSC question as we have the ambition, but at some point we have a ceiling on wages, where can’t get to CL or even consistent EL level if we don’t pay wages.
It’s fine having the odd gem like Hinsh, but we can’t rely on that if we want stated ambition of the club that ‘there is no ceiling’.
There is unfortunately and that’s wages.
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They also have a stadium which was paid for by ..... hang on, let me do a quick google search ....... you and I
 


Weststander

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Nobby Cybergoat said:
West Ham had very few chances. We had loads.

I just hate this bollocks about Moyes pulling off some kind of tactical masterstroke against us. There's no tactics at all. Just retreat the entire team to the penalty box and pray.

A lot has to go your way for that to work once, let alone twice. But hey football is like that I guess.
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9 defenders, an attacker and another who supports the attacker on the counter.

Not innovative, many managers have played variations of that, such as Conte and Mourinho.

Moyes routinely never beats the Albion, he got lucky just once when our players did a dumb thing and threw everyone forward from the first minute.
 




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Littlemo

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Nobby Cybergoat said:
West Ham had very few chances. We had loads.

I just hate this bollocks about Moyes pulling off some kind of tactical masterstroke against us. There's no tactics at all. Just retreat the entire team to the penalty box and pray.

A lot has to go your way for that to work once, let alone twice. But hey football is like that I guess.
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You say that but Moyes has taken West Ham from a team consistently fighting relegation, into a top 6 side, who won a European trophy and now attracts some very talented and sought after players, they’ve beaten sides like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U etc. That’s not luck, and it’s definitely not a lack of tactics.

We might not like their style but we don’t have to disrespect them, we are sounding like Man U and Arsenal fans here.
 




Jimmy Grimble

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Farehamseagull said:
No I think we are a superior side to them. Both our games have been freak results really, we should have won both.

They are an average team, just have good individual players in Bowen, Kudus, Areola and Wanker-Prowse who single handedly get them points. They are dull as shit.
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I’m with you. West Ham have outperformed their xG quite a bit to be where they are in the table. It’ll be hard for them to maintain that - you can’t keep relying on individual brilliance. And as we saw tonight, they clearly don’t know what to do when a few of their players are unavailable. They’ll have to get very lucky with injuries and suspensions to maintain where they are.
 


Simster

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Nobby Cybergoat said:
West Ham had very few chances. We had loads.

I just hate this bollocks about Moyes pulling off some kind of tactical masterstroke against us. There's no tactics at all. Just retreat the entire team to the penalty box and pray.

A lot has to go your way for that to work once, let alone twice. But hey football is like that I guess.
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I agree that Moyes is no tactical genius but above all else, he IS a pragmatist. Arguably THE most pragmatic manager in the league.
He knows that with his 3 best players out, if he set up to take the game to us, there's a good chance his side gets picked apart. So guess what, he kept it compact and backed his defence to do their jobs and they just about did it, with a bit of luck.

This sour grapes bollocks is a bit childish IMO. We weren't good enough to score. No shame in that as another day in this fixture we might score 3, but you can't really argue that on this one occasion from Moyes' point of view, the ends justified the means.
 


Jimmy Grimble

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Littlemo said:
You say that but Moyes has taken West Ham from a team consistently fighting relegation, into a top 6 side, who won a European trophy and now attracts some very talented and sought after players, they’ve beaten sides like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U etc. That’s not luck, and it’s definitely not a lack of tactics.

We might not like their style but we don’t have to disrespect them, we are sounding like Man U and Arsenal fans here.
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Just a point of order, their win against Arsenal was Moyes’s first in something like 60 attempts away from home at a ‘top 6’ club.
 




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Littlemo

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Jimmy Grimble said:
Just a point of order, their win against Arsenal was Moyes’s first in something like 60 attempts away from home at a ‘top 6’ club.
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I think that stat was just his first away win to Arsenal. They’d beaten Spurs away this season already.
 


Jimmy Grimble

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Littlemo said:
I think that stat was just his first away win to Arsenal. They’d beaten Spurs away this season already.
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It might actually have been’ top 4’ or ‘top 5’ thinking about it. Either way he is traditionally shite away from home against the better sides!
 






Weststander

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Littlemo said:
You say that but Moyes has taken West Ham from a team consistently fighting relegation, into a top 6 side, who won a European trophy and now attracts some very talented and sought after players, they’ve beaten sides like Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U etc. That’s not luck, and it’s definitely not a lack of tactics.

We might not like their style but we don’t have to disrespect them, we are sounding like Man U and Arsenal fans here.
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It’s not a Cinderella Story, they’ve spent shed loads. Contrary to their fans eternal slagging off of the owners and Brady, they’ve been generous to managers.

On a fraction of that budget, we beat those clubs too.
 


lawros left foot

lawros left foot

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I think we can confidently say, we were by far the better side tonight.

We probably had them beat on missing players too-
 

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Berty23

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West Ham have not had many injuries this season and have had some amazing luck. Their win against spurs was comical. Two freak goals. Bowen has been in a hot run of form.

We have had so many injuries and some pretty rotten luck. I can’t think of many games we have picked up more points that we should have done. We have had some very odd games where didn’t get what we deserved e.g. Chelsea away where inexplicably caicedo not sent off to give Chelsea 9 men, a shank from Alvarez, Burnley deflection top corner etc.

If West Ham had 8-10 out for 2 months then they would be nowhere near the top.

I will be shocked if they finish the season above us and I would be even more shocked if West Ham would not swap teams and managers right now.
 




dwayne

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Mustafa II said:
HINSH. Thought he was drafted in because we were desperate. Turns out he's genuinely quality and all of a sudden one of our top young talents.

MODER. Was concerned that he'd be a fraction of the same player following such a big injury. But he looks so sharp and fits in this side like a glove.
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Disagree on moder. He was woeful when he came on. Looked completely lost. Everyone around me moaning about him. Needs time
 


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Weststander said:
It’s not a Cinderella Story, they’ve spent shed loads. Contrary to their fans eternal slagging off of the owners and Brady, they’ve been generous to managers.

On a fraction of that budget, we beat those clubs too.
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It’s not all about the money though, look at Chelsea. Manager's matter a lot as well.
 




Weststander

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Littlemo said:
It’s not all about the money though, look at Chelsea. Manager's matter a lot as well.
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We know money is THE main determinant of league placing and success. Lots of statistical works always shows the positive correlation. With outliers of course such as us and Boehly’s Chavs. Villa and West Ham were very average until they opened up the purse strings. Squad costs:

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