Can you cite the bit you mean? I’ve not seen any official football body cite they’re “on board with the current proposal”?
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[Football] Will the current plan for the European Super League happen? Yes or No?
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Can you cite the bit you mean? I’ve not seen any official football body cite they’re “on board with the current proposal”?
Pondicherry
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I can't see a way to stop this or something similar to this from happening. Either there is co-operation from the football family (in which case it goes ahead) or there is no or little co-operation from the football family in which case the football elite ignore the objections, go ahead and suck up the consequences. I suspect and it looks like, the football elite are pot committed already.
father_and_son
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And won't they just deserve that!? They'll just switch allegiance anyway. When that's the only reason you support a team, its the very reason to switch clubs.
there will be out rage but eventually the media get behind it with buying rights etc and its marketed in a way that does sell it to an extent.
We all know the implications are not good but when does that stand in the way of money.
Life will go on
We all know the implications are not good but when does that stand in the way of money.
Life will go on
The funny thing is do these clubs who will be finishing near the bottom half of this super league think they will keep their worldwide fan base when they are being shat on season in season out. These worldwide fans will just gravitate to the teams towards the top of the league. Then maybe 30 years from now the top 6 can breakaway and just play each other in a constant loop of games all around the world im friendly matches where players earn a million pounds a game.
1066familyman
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- Jan 15, 2008
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Here's my post from last night....
This is the crucial bit from the ESL statement...
Competition Format
20 participating clubs with 15 Founding Clubs and a qualifying mechanism for a further five teams to qualify annually based on achievements in the prior season.
Then read the FIFA statement about...disapproval to a "closed European breakaway League". competitions.
That's the work around right there, that 5 teams can qualify each year, that has FIFA essentially signing it off.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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That is assuming the big 6 get kicked out. If they stay in the league, broadcasting revenues would remain much the same.
But the competition would be undermined, with vastly improved spending power of Arsenal/Spurs/Liverpool/Chelsea and United.
It really will go back to being a closed shop of the top 6 and everyone else. There will be no financial penalty from having 1 bad season and missing out on ECL.
Absolute joke.
Uh_huh_him
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- Sep 28, 2011
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But how would that work?
Do they only get promoted for 1 season and then definitely relegated next season, to be replaced by a new 5?
Or do the 5 no-members have to go into a playoff competition with some new candidates?
What if 1 of the 5 promoted teams wins the league? Do they get to stay up?
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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1. If Qatar can be awarded a World Cup then, yes - anything (including this) can happen.
2. Will the 12 have the balls to start the competition without PSG, Bayern and Dortmund? You would think that there would be interest from the owners of Celtic, Rangers, Ajax, Sporting Lisbon, Benfica, Porto, Galatasaray and Monaco to throw their lot in with the ESL.
2. Will the 12 have the balls to start the competition without PSG, Bayern and Dortmund? You would think that there would be interest from the owners of Celtic, Rangers, Ajax, Sporting Lisbon, Benfica, Porto, Galatasaray and Monaco to throw their lot in with the ESL.
KZNSeagull
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Based upon the video posted in the main thread from SSN about a conversation with a club director, yes, this is going to happen.
"The clubs would secretly be delighted if their players are banned from other competitions. They want their players to play less, not more, football"
"They would field weakened teams in the PL and CL"
"American owners cannot get their heads around relegation"
"The needs of the rest of football are secondary"
and "several of the other PL teams want these clubs suspended from the PL immediately"
"The clubs would secretly be delighted if their players are banned from other competitions. They want their players to play less, not more, football"
"They would field weakened teams in the PL and CL"
"American owners cannot get their heads around relegation"
"The needs of the rest of football are secondary"
and "several of the other PL teams want these clubs suspended from the PL immediately"
I think this is a calculated gamble on the basis that income will drop from Europe, but the riches on offer from other markets, particularly Asia and America, mean they don't give the proverbial toss about alienating the market for which the League will be based because other markets don't buy into the history of British and European Football. So it's a yes from me but I think it's sh1tting on your own doorstep!
Rinkmaster
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I think it will happen sooner or later. As far as I am concerned let em go. Banished from the prem league and all other comps other than the ESL the prem will be a much fairer competition when we lose these six.
HastingsSeagull
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No they'll call the bluff and pay to retain their places domestically somehow. Sadly.
Psychobilly freakout
HellBilly
Americans are used to sporting franchises that move around the country, so makes sense they are behind this with no relegation.
Be careful what you wish for with American and foreign investment, because they will always get their pound of flesh.
Welcome to world of corporate football, they don't eat pies and have a pint at a match, they don't even eat prawn sandwiches anymore...
They devour caviar, and drink dom perignon...
They do not care about bums on seats.
They do not care about history.
They do not care about local rivalries or tradition.
They do not care for relegation.
They do not care if we the boycott the teams.
They care about TV revenue, sponsorship, money, money, money, nothing else.
Be careful what you wish for with American and foreign investment, because they will always get their pound of flesh.
Welcome to world of corporate football, they don't eat pies and have a pint at a match, they don't even eat prawn sandwiches anymore...
They devour caviar, and drink dom perignon...
They do not care about bums on seats.
They do not care about history.
They do not care about local rivalries or tradition.
They do not care for relegation.
They do not care if we the boycott the teams.
They care about TV revenue, sponsorship, money, money, money, nothing else.
Whatever happened to Project Big Picture?
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...e-and-efl-plan-radical-reform-to-avoid-crisis
I wonder how Everton, West Ham and Southampton feel today? I remember that some of those owners were against Big Picture. They will be even more annoyed at having been used that way now.
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...e-and-efl-plan-radical-reform-to-avoid-crisis
I wonder how Everton, West Ham and Southampton feel today? I remember that some of those owners were against Big Picture. They will be even more annoyed at having been used that way now.
We're the Stripes
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Also what makes them think these 5 qualifying teams will just happily accept their one-off invitation to join the elite for a season before being excluded again? (As they were excluded originally from the founding 15) You'd have to also assume the likes of Bayern, Dortmund and co would once again tell them where to stick it..
Silverhatch
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No. They've underestimated the loathing for this Americanised concept. It'll be so toxic before it starts that all the stakeholders will bottle it.
The Americanised European Soccer League will definitely happen.
The proposal is to have a midweek league to replace the boring and mostly meaningless group stages of The Champions League (unless the team you support is playing). Matches will presumably take place on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. If EUFA and the domestic pyramid leagues in Europe don't accept the proposal and kick the greedy twelve clubs out of their domestic leagues, the European Soccer League matches will most probably be moved to weekends. This would kill the domestic leagues for armchair fans, and affect TV rights for domestic competitions (e.g. Premier League).
The proposal gives the greedy twelve clubs the best of all worlds, while allows domestic leagues to make some money and hold matches that don't coincides with Soccer League matches.
FIFA won't complain because they will want the world's top players to play in World Cups. EUFA will have to make do with making money out of the Euro Championship Finals.
The proposal is to have a midweek league to replace the boring and mostly meaningless group stages of The Champions League (unless the team you support is playing). Matches will presumably take place on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. If EUFA and the domestic pyramid leagues in Europe don't accept the proposal and kick the greedy twelve clubs out of their domestic leagues, the European Soccer League matches will most probably be moved to weekends. This would kill the domestic leagues for armchair fans, and affect TV rights for domestic competitions (e.g. Premier League).
The proposal gives the greedy twelve clubs the best of all worlds, while allows domestic leagues to make some money and hold matches that don't coincides with Soccer League matches.
FIFA won't complain because they will want the world's top players to play in World Cups. EUFA will have to make do with making money out of the Euro Championship Finals.