What Restrictions Do You Think Should Be Eased After Current 3 Week Review Period Ends?

[darkwolf666]

I don’t disagree - but it’s happening.

What I would say is “it’s only a 3 month lockdown” could be the difference between someone losing a business/job

Or someone's life... You pick!

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Or someone's life... You pick!

How do you know the mental wellness of someone who will lose a business/job who are just about managing?

Could also lead to loss of life

 

[RossyG]

Or someone's life... You pick!

Say you were given the choice. Keep your job and your standard of living and possibly, but by no means definitely, someone you’ve never met might die as a result or lose your job and accept a far lower standard of living including the possibility of losing your house and no one will die guaranteed.

What would you choose?

 

[RossyG]

I can’t see civil unrest, I just think you will have people ignoring the rules.

I can see both. Civil disobedience will be far more common. People will just say sod it and go out. But I can easily see disorder and rioting in inner city areas when the weather gets hotter and the police come to break up a gathering. And maybe the same in towns if a few bored youths start to congregate.

I also think people are getting very “meh” about the virus

Yes, definitely. Go on Twitter or email friends and family and it’s obvious that some are getting twitchy. It’s a hell of an ask, this, and people will only tolerate it for so long.

I think the under fifties and even more so the under thirties will look at the death figure demographics, see that it mostly affects the elderly and/or those with co-morbidities (also the obese and smokers), brush aside the others as “exceptions that prove the rule” and decide to take their chances.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I can see both. Civil disobedience will be far more common. People will just say sod it and go out. But I can easily see disorder and rioting in inner city areas when the weather gets hotter and the police come to break up a gathering. And maybe the same in towns if a few bored youths start to congregate.



Yes, definitely. Go on Twitter or email friends and family and it’s obvious that some are getting twitchy. It’s a hell of an ask, this, and people will only tolerate it for so long.

I think the under fifties and even more so the under thirties will look at the death figure demographics, see that it mostly affects the elderly and/or those with co-morbidities (also the obese and smokers), brush aside the others as “exceptions that prove the rule” and decide to take their chances.

I agree with with all of this - also the numbers look low - 90k world wide deaths.

You add that all together and people will just go out - there will be stories galore on Tuesday about BBQs in park etc.

The Government needs to have an exit plan in place - no dates/times just the blue print of something.

 

[ManOfSussex]

So long as social distancing is in place and we're being told to stay in as much as possible, I struggle to see what restrictions can be lifted from where we are now.

 

[ManOfSussex]

I can see both. Civil disobedience will be far more common. People will just say sod it and go out. But I can easily see disorder and rioting in inner city areas when the weather gets hotter and the police come to break up a gathering. And maybe the same in towns if a few bored youths start to congregate.



Yes, definitely. Go on Twitter or email friends and family and it’s obvious that some are getting twitchy. It’s a hell of an ask, this, and people will only tolerate it for so long.

I think the under fifties and even more so the under thirties will look at the death figure demographics, see that it mostly affects the elderly and/or those with co-morbidities (also the obese and smokers), brush aside the others as “exceptions that prove the rule” and decide to take their chances.

The other thing in regards to disorder is, in a few weeks, not just lock down fatigue, but the economic reality really hitting home. Universal Credit wasn't designed for this, assuming you can get on the website and apply for it in the first place as the claimant count and number of new applicants has soared. I can see shop security guards having their work cut out, to put it very mildly.

 

[darkwolf666]

Say you were given the choice. Keep your job and your standard of living and possibly, but by no means definitely, someone you’ve never met might die as a result or lose your job and accept a far lower standard of living including the possibility of losing your house and no one will die guaranteed.

What would you choose?

Tough choice isn't it...

 

[darkwolf666]

How do you know the mental wellness of someone who will lose a business/job who are just about managing?

Could also lead to loss of life

Very true, though I am not sure there is going to be a pandemic of economical suicides.

There will be winners and losers in this situation without doubt!

 

[WilburySeagull]

I agree the govt needs to have a plan but it needs to be cautious and attached to the cases/death stats not dates. It probably also needs to be age and geography segmented to protect the vunerable

To the person who suggested my original post was fake outrage: there wss nothing fake about it. I have already lost a colleague who died in hospital and I have a relative in the "shielded" group so its all too real to me.

 

[RossyG]

Tough choice isn't it...

I must be a sociopath because I’d see that as a very easy choice.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Very true, though I am not sure there is going to be a pandemic of economical suicides.

There will be winners and losers in this situation without doubt!

Apparently 10k suicides after the crash in 2008 and this is meant to be worse.

Who knows, it’s a balancing act.

 

[darkwolf666]

I must be a sociopath because I’d see that as a very easy choice.

I read that as psychopath, which would have made it a very easy choice...!

 

[darkwolf666]

Apparently 10k suicides after the crash in 2008 and this is meant to be worse.

Who knows, it’s a balancing act.

10k worldwide suicides possibly caused by economic reasons, in a year, we've had over 7k Covid-19 deaths in the UK in just over a month...

 

[Barham's tash]

Or someone's life... You pick!

How do you know the mental wellness of someone who will lose a business/job who are just about managing?

Could also lead to loss of life

Herein lies the governments conundrum - right now one hour of exercise is seen to be more beneficial to the population than enforcing true lockdown over the perceived risk of infection.

I don’t disagree that they need to do more, if we are to stay locked down, for those currently out of work [self employed or redundant and not furloughed] if they’re serious about minimising the overall impact of this situation psychologically and economically.

But make no mistake this is a global issue. If another government blinks first for economic over health rationale [looking at you Trump] then it could be absolute chaos.

If it were me I’d risk adding £X billion to our national debt to provide for those in need and keep us locked down as long as needed but I accept this is an unlikely outcome.

Hammer and dance as the scientists said, hammer and dance.

I’d still argue anyone thinking any semblance of normality will exist in less than 12-18 months time is absolutely kidding themselves. The new normal is more likely to be split office/working rotas, managed entry/exit to travel arrangements and almost certainly no return to mass gatherings of any kind before the end of that timeline.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Herein lies the governments conundrum - right now one hour of exercise is seen to be more beneficial to the population than enforcing true lockdown over the perceived risk of infection.

I don’t disagree that they need to do more, if we are to stay locked down, for those currently out of work [self employed or redundant and not furloughed] if they’re serious about minimising the overall impact of this situation psychologically and economically.

But make no mistake this is a global issue. If another government blinks first for economic over health rationale [looking at you Trump] then it could be absolute chaos.

If it were me I’d risk adding £X billion to our national debt to provide for those in need and keep us locked down as long as needed but I accept this is an unlikely outcome.

Hammer and dance as the scientists said, hammer and dance.

I’d still argue anyone thinking any semblance of normality will exist in less than 12-18 months time is absolutely kidding themselves. The new normal is more likely to be split office/working rotas, managed entry/exit to travel arrangements and almost certainly no return to mass gatherings of any kind before the end of that timeline.

On the subject of trump and I can’t say I’ve watched him over the past couple of days so it could of changed.

I get the feeling he would open up everything tomorrow, why is the question.

Pressure from rich donors?
High jobless numbers in election year?
They have just lost complete control and it’s not worth trying?

I’m less pessimistic (or realistic) I don’t think it will be fully back to normal by the end of the year, but I think we will be 80 percent there.

 

[drew]

For me it's nursery plants and garden centres. This is their one shot in the year to sell their produce. Garden centres by their nature tend to be largely outdoors. Which should serve as an aid to social distancing. And apart from anything else, being able to tend and nurture plants would go a long way towards reassuring huge numbers of gentle fretful people that Life Renews. Green Shoots, literally

Very sad report here the other day:

Coronavirus: Millions of garden plants set to be binned
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52098436

Perhaps other than the fact people are bored, do you know of any scientific basis to relaxing the lockdown?

 

[drew]

Herein lies the governments conundrum - right now one hour of exercise is seen to be more beneficial to the population than enforcing true lockdown over the perceived risk of infection.

I don’t disagree that they need to do more, if we are to stay locked down, for those currently out of work [self employed or redundant and not furloughed] if they’re serious about minimising the overall impact of this situation psychologically and economically.

But make no mistake this is a global issue. If another government blinks first for economic over health rationale [looking at you Trump] then it could be absolute chaos.

If it were me I’d risk adding £X billion to our national debt to provide for those in need and keep us locked down as long as needed but I accept this is an unlikely outcome.

Hammer and dance as the scientists said, hammer and dance.

I’d still argue anyone thinking any semblance of normality will exist in less than 12-18 months time is absolutely kidding themselves. The new normal is more likely to be split office/working rotas, managed entry/exit to travel arrangements and almost certainly no return to mass gatherings of any kind before the end of that timeline.

I think the problem isn't whether they should lockdown more but that they should rigoursly enforce the rules we have in place. Hardly anyone is being fined, parties are being broken up and people moved on etc. What should be happening is that those at a party should be fined the £60 and their names taken. People not out with a good reason, fine them. People driving to second homes shouldn't just be turned back but should be fined.

Talk of civil unrest just feeds the morons that think they're immune to this virus or that they'll just get a bit of flu! Clamp down now before people get a little more daring and you get groups of youths on the street. Bring in the army if necessary.

 

[drew]

Say you were given the choice. Keep your job and your standard of living and possibly, but by no means definitely, someone you’ve never met might die as a result or lose your job and accept a far lower standard of living including the possibility of losing your house and no one will die guaranteed.

What would you choose?

Or to put it another way, the person dying is in your household!

 

[GT49er]

Yes, that should be lifted.

After another three weeks I’d expect smaller businesses to open (fewer than 50 employees seem to be the best idea).

Three weeks after that, pubs, restaurants, cinemas... and dare I say it football stadiums?

Pubs, restaurants, cinemas, football stadiums with people remaining two metres apart?

Don't think so.