[Politics] Brexit

[nicko31]

What is peoples opinion of what Leave means.

The main issues for me are

The EU have no say on our laws. (other than a trade laws where our goods have to comply and labelled with EU standards, I can live with that)
We pay nothing to the EU for any type of membership.
We are free to trade with anyone anywhere else in the world.
EU citizens have no free right to access the UK. (Happy for existing EU nationals to remain if they seek British citzenship, but no more family member or friends to arrive, as well as EU citizens who warrant working visas)
We have full access and rights to our waters, and no EU access to our waters without separate agreements/fees.

I may have missed something but I think tick all those boxes, and I consider us out.

I like your one on forced citizenship to EU nationals, should this be applied to all non-EU Citizens too? This is EDL type stuff....

 

[Ernest]

May is in tatters, her own MP's ripping her to shreds here

 

[CHAPPERS]

This is going well then

 

[Ernest]

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[Ernest]

A malfunctioning Maybot....

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[hans kraay fan club]

I like your one on forced citizenship to EU nationals, should this be applied to all non-EU Citizens too? This is EDL type stuff....

I presume his idea cuts both ways, too? All Brit ex-pats must immediately return here, or assume citizenship of Spain, Italy, France, the UAE, etc.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

I like your one on forced citizenship to EU nationals, should this be applied to all non-EU Citizens too? This is EDL type stuff....

Don't be so dramatic. I should have said for life, but if only temporary then a visa. If they plan to stay for life then yes, why not become British. As for non-EU . Same. If temporary and you plan to return home, then visas. If you want to stay permanently, then yes, citizenship. Do you find it so disgusting to hold a British Passport?

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

I presume his idea cuts both ways, too? All Brit ex-pats must immediately return here, or assume citizenship of Spain, Italy, France, the UAE, etc.

See this is why it is so hard to have a discussion on here with idiots like you.

Yes, it cuts both ways. If you want to remain in another country for life, then yes, citizenship. If you merely visit or work for a few years with the intention of returning, then visas. But if someone retires to Spain, why shouldn't they obtain Spanish citizenship. I don't see the issue?

Why would anyone have to return or leave immediately? We will likely have a transition period, deal or no deal.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Don't be so dramatic. I should have said for life, but if only temporary then a visa. If they plan to stay for life then yes, why not become British. As far non-EU . Same. If temporary and you plan to return home, then visas. If you want to stay permanently, then yes, citizenship.

So what happens when EU citizens marry British and then cannot get a visa. The Home Office aren't guaranteed to grant one.

How long would a visa last? Bruno has been here for seven years so how many times would his agent need to apply for a visa? Every year? Every two years?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

See this is why it is so hard to have a discussion on here with idiots like you.

Yes, it cuts both ways. If you want to remain in another country for life, then yes, citizenship. If you merely visit or work for a few years with the intention of returning, then visas. But if someone retires to Spain, why shouldn't they obtain Spanish citizenship. I don't see the issue?

Why would anyone have to return or leave immediately? We will likely have a transition period, deal or no deal.

Oh, the famous No Deal transition period! I thought only David Davis was that uninformed.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

So what happens when EU citizens marry British and then cannot get a visa. The Home Office aren't guaranteed to grant one.

How long would a visa last? Bruno has been here for seven years so how many times would his agent need to apply for a visa? Every year? Every two years?

What are the rules on this now for non-EU people who marry. I presume they apply for citizenship and if they pass then fine.

Bruno? Again, every year, every two years. Why should football be any different. I would imagine that EU nationals will find it harder to get visa to play football. That's life

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Maraget Beckett talking sense.

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[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

Oh, the famous No Deal transition period! I thought only David Davis was that uninformed.

Oh the drama!! So you think March 29th we will send in the troops to start exporting EU nationals if we leave with no deal. Get a grip. We can't even turf out illegals who are here at the moment, so I think any EU citizen needs to worry just yet!

 

[Bold Seagull]

they'll have a big hole to fill when we leave , who's picking up the tab, 27 to choose from ?

It doesn't work for either party. It is a divorce, no one wins.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Oh the drama!! So you think March 29th we will send in the troops to start exporting EU nationals if we leave with no deal. Get a grip. We can't even turf out illegals who are here at the moment, so I think any EU citizen needs to worry just yet!

No, I don't. But it isn't going to happen anyway.

 

[nicko31]

Don't be so dramatic. I should have said for life, but if only temporary then a visa. If they plan to stay for life then yes, why not become British. As for non-EU . Same. If temporary and you plan to return home, then visas. If you want to stay permanently, then yes, citizenship. Do you find it so disgusting to hold a British Passport?

What happens if you don't want the British passport, should you be deported?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

What are the rules on this now for non-EU people who marry. I presume they apply for citizenship and if they pass then fine.

Bruno? Again, every year, every two years. Why should football be any different. I would imagine that EU nationals will find it harder to get visa to play football. That's life

And if they are refused? Don't tell me that EU Nationals here already will automatically get citizenship because I can quote a refusal straight away.
Are you going to tell my Dutch friend that she's got to leave her husband and children if she is refused?

All that red tape for regular visas and who is going to pay all the civil servants needed to process all those visas (not forgetting their civil service pension funds) so taxes will rise just to pay them.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

What happens if you don't want the British passport, should you be deported?

You apply for a visa. If you qualify for one then no. If you don't, then yes. As people keep saying about the UK and the EU, you can't have your cake and eat it! If you don't want a British passport, why would you want to live here for life? Doesn't mean you have to give up your EU passport.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

And if they are refused? Don't tell me that EU Nationals here already will automatically get citizenship because I can quote a refusal straight away.
Are you going to tell my Dutch friend that she's got to leave her husband and children if she is refused?

All that red tape for regular visas and who is going to pay all the civil servants needed to process all those visas (not forgetting their civil service pension funds) so taxes will rise just to pay them.

Off course not. If you married to someone from the UK, and have children in the UK, then get a UK passport. Why would they be refused. They are here. They have children here. They are married to a British passport holder. Why would you refuse them one.

 

[Tubby-McFat-Fuc]

All that red tape for regular visas and who is going to pay all the civil servants needed to process all those visas (not forgetting their civil service pension funds) so taxes will rise just to pay them.

I am sure all the good that the people who apply for visas will bring, will pay for itself through their taxes.