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More dreadful news for British industry.Wherever will we find the workers for this new factory?
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[Politics] Brexit
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More dreadful news for British industry.Wherever will we find the workers for this new factory?
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How ironic that it's next to the A50 !
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The BBC now carrying the story. Gavin Millar QC is calling on the Electorial Commission to investigate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44624299
pastafarian
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That reminds me, have you found that EU mechanism yet that permits us to have the controls at our borders of quotas and visas the same as non EU members. You know, actual border controls.
You are still quiet on that
Have you just given up looking after your last effort at looking for it found you scratching around in completely the wrong place?
What a daft thing to say. Investigations by the electoral commission do stick.
The Lib Dems received a fine of £18000 for dodgy spending returns on £80,000 worth of payments during the EU referendum via the commission.
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Because you can't stop people entering the country from the EU, you only know the situation of people when they get here. Imagine if the government did was Peston suggested and start sending people back home, can you imagine how that would be used by opposition to call the government all sorts of names. Just another example why I voted Leave. We need one set of immigration rules for all.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Have you read the link in Richard Corbett's tweet which Peston is quoting?
https://labourlist.org/2018/06/rich...on-without-cutting-ourselves-off-from-the-eu/
2. EU migration – actually make use of the existing safeguards available under European rules
EU freedom of movement is not an unconditional right. There are important restrictions, which Britain has failed to use. Other EU member states ask thousands of people to leave their country every year. It is Britain’s failure to use such safeguards to the full, and, where appropriate, send back those with no right to remain, which created the impression that free movement is a free-for-all.
EU rules state that, after three months, EU citizens in another EU country than their own must:
be in employment; or continue to seek employment and have a genuine chance of being gaining employment; or
be able to show that they have sufficient resources not to be a burden on public funds and sickness insurance.
Individuals can also be excluded or expelled in the event of abuse or fraud, and other serious criminal offences. Furthermore, EU migrants are not automatically entitled to claim benefits in the UK. They must meet a number of requirements, which could be enforced better or even tightened.
For example, there is never any obligation to pay benefits classified as social assistance (like housing benefit and income support) to recent migrants who do not have a job, and the obligation to do so for social security benefits (like child benefit, invalidity benefit or contribution-based Jobseekers’ Allowance) only applies if someone passes the habitual residence test (which requires having resided in the UK for an ‘appreciable period’ and having a settled intention to remain). Britain could, if it so wished, classify more benefits in the former category (social assistance) and review its rules on habitual residence.
A June 2016 EU court ruling has opened the door to much more leeway on this, as have a number of other recent judgments. Social security could therefore be made to require further qualifying conditions, such as a certain length or value of contribution.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Now we know. The EU was set up just to take advantage of the Americans.
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vegster
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They also come down hard on those pesky journalists who damage business by revealing interlinked corruption stories.
vegster
Sanity Clause
- May 5, 2008
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We just accept these ignorant and mindless ramblings now, mostly because there will be another one almost immediately.
pocketseagull
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ever get the feeling you've been cheated
ever get the feeling you've been cheated
nicko31
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He really is a man of the people, isn't he?
- Jul 10, 2003
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So tomorrow is the day were the people who voted Brexit finally find out what they voted for.
It's tomorrow that Theresa May is due to present our plans for borders and trade to the EU in order to begin the negotiations, so what do we reckon, a bespoke customs union or Max Fac ? (The fact that the technology doesn't exist for Max Fac and the EU has already said no to a bespoke customs union shouldn't prove any problem for 'the bloody difficult woman').
Or, perish the thought, another delay and fudge as the further extensions of EU membership on worse terms creep ever closer ?
Tick-tock
It's tomorrow that Theresa May is due to present our plans for borders and trade to the EU in order to begin the negotiations, so what do we reckon, a bespoke customs union or Max Fac ? (The fact that the technology doesn't exist for Max Fac and the EU has already said no to a bespoke customs union shouldn't prove any problem for 'the bloody difficult woman').
Or, perish the thought, another delay and fudge as the further extensions of EU membership on worse terms creep ever closer ?
Tick-tock
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It's pick on Farage time now. A few days of anti Farage, then it will move on to someone else.
pastafarian
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Indeed.
Apart from the fact that EU jobseekers can remain forever if they can show they are seeking work ( a trip to the job centre fullfills that), how many are long long long term jobseekers? The number must be tiny and certainly not enough to justify the expense of going through a process of trying to prove an individual has no prospect of ever finding work. How do you prove that anyway? Or enough to justify anyone saying if only we had deported this tiny minority it would have significantly helped persuade the country that the 100`s of thousands entering every year via uncontrolled free movement,who are not long term jobseekers was a good idea
Lest we not forget we are constantly reminded EU migrants coming here to work are net contributors to the UK coffers and are not spongers.
Of course all this is rather immaterial anyway, chasing a tiny % of migrants up, months after they have just waltzed in anyway does not constitute adequate control, at the point of entry, of our borders such as we have on non EU citizens. Never has and never will.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
It isn't pick on Farage time like some poor little victim, but exposing his hypocrisy, and dubious connections.
pastafarian
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Probably grinning at all the results coming in showing leave was edging to victory.
Didn’t the BBC call it and announce a leave victory only an hour later?
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
What do these long long long term jobseekers live on whilst they are job seeking? They don't get benefits.
- Jul 10, 2003
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You are getting better -
You still can't find the post that you constantly claim I made where I said that we weren't leaving the EU
You still can't find the post that you constantly claim Thunder Bolt made stating that we could have controls at our borders of quotas and visas the same as non EU members
You still can't find the post that you constantly claim Harry Wilson's tackle gave you a thumbs up after putting you on ignore
And now you've taken to contradicting yourself
It's quite a strange coincidence that you are bottom of the Fantasists division, isn't it
pastafarian
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Money i presume,