One point. It is shit and nobody wants it (other than you it seems).
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[Football] PL not to use VAR next season.
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One point. It is shit and nobody wants it (other than you it seems).
BensGrandad
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That statement is blatantly wrong. They can do as they wish. A couple of examples are that 3G pitches are permitted at certain levels and also I was sent to watch a player at Sutton in a game v Dorchester and the league were experimenting for that season, and that season only in just that division, with offside only being so if in the penalty area. It was such a bad decision that it was shelved and never proceeded with.
FIFA could make it mandatory in the top division of all European Leagues if they so desired.
BensGrandad
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It is only shit because of the way it is operated and IT WILL be back.
As I have said I believe the VAR should make the ultimate decision with out the on field ref referring to the monitor This would speed up the process to give virtually instantaneous decisions as in rugby and cricket.
The Large One
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Sorry - wot...?
No, they cannot do 'as they wish'.
And you cite a couple of very poor examples - so poor, in fact, it actually detracts from your argument.
Yes and no. VAR worked very well when it was used in our game (unobtrusive, and Murray's goal was allowed), but it was a joke in other games with referees arguing the toss with someone in Basingstoke for two or three minutes over extremely nuanced and yet unimportant issues (not what VAR is for). VAR could be great, but referees simply don't know how to use it. Have they received any training, or have they been told to use their 'judgement and discretion'? I ca guess the answer to that. A food blender is great for blending food, but you wouldn't put a three year old in charge of one. Which is why, as you suggest, the WC will (to pursue my analogy) be awash with blended body parts....
BensGrandad
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FIFA are the governing body with a representative of each country sitting on its council so as a body can do exactly what they wish , whether you like it or not. If they wish to do away with the penalty spot and make the penalty a race by one player with the ball from the centre circle they can do so. They could if they wish change the size of the goals to make scoring easier if they so wished. They could order our Premier League to have 1 month winter break whether the clubs, league or FA wanted it or not.
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Easy 10
Brain dead MUG SHEEP
There will be teams of officials at the World Cup who have never used VAR. I can see some chaotic decisions and situations ahead, and far from taking pressure off referees, I can only see it adding to it. VAR can undoubtedly help get some decisions correct, but the problems will surface when (inevitably) the borderline ones come along and its not so easy to clear up. And yes, its only supposed to come into play when the on-field ref has made a clear and obvious mistake, but we've already seen it used for lots of borderline incidents as well.
Going by what I've seen of it so far, there's going to be confusion, uncertainty and frustration.
The Large One
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You're making this up as you go along. Appalling that you don't know the first thing about how the laws of football are made.
FIFA do NOT make the laws - that is done by The International Football Association Board (IFAB). IFAB is made up of representatives of the FA, the SFA, the FA of Wales, the IFA (Northern Ireland's FA), and FIFA. It pre-dates FIFA's existence by 18 years. FIFA has 50% of the vote, and any law changes require a 75% vote. It is also noted for its extremely conservative views on law changes.
Page one stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Football_Association_Board
Quite a long list of posters now unable to drone on about a succession of poor refereeing decisions made against the Albion, next season. (Division dependent)
Don't worry TLO the apology for being wrong is being written at this very moment.
nicko31
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Great news
Better to proven its useless in side show in Russia this summer than ruin a whole season for everyone
Better to proven its useless in side show in Russia this summer than ruin a whole season for everyone
Stumpy Tim
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Personally VAR for offside makes sense to me. VAR for penalties and the like isn't going to work as they're often subjective.
BensGrandad
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As is stated FIFA have 50% of the votes so to move towards 75% by lobbying would be reasonably simple as has be shown by the venue of forthcoming World Cups. If they wanted it they would get the required votes no problem. The make up of the IFAB consists solely with Football Associations and does not include any leagues who are all bound by their various FA so if required by the Associations and FIFA the Premiere League would have no say in the matter and as such could be ordered to to bring it in. It must be noted that it is already being used in Germany and no doubt other countries will be persuaded to bring it in.the clubs.
My view is that the clubs are delaying the inevitable and would be better served looking into solving any problems that exist.
My view is that the clubs are delaying the inevitable and would be better served looking into solving any problems that exist.
Murray 17
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- Jul 6, 2003
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You beat me to it.
We need some sort of technological help, whether it's a redesigned VAR, or something else.
On a slightly lighter note, Adrian Durham and Jim 'Sky Sports' White will be pleased. A successful video system would take away 90% of their material.
BensGrandad
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If that was so I would but as it isnt there is no need.
BensGrandad
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Just reading BBC Sport says that 40 countries are either using VAR or are interested in its use and also IFAB expect its use to be ratified which makes the mandatory use more likely. the last 7 words are my interpretation.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
VAR's reputation will be in tatters after the World Cup anyway.
BensGrandad
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It must be remembered that it is new to our league and refs so had teething problems but that is not so in Germany and Italy although many players apparently would like it to be scrapped.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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and you'd be wrong. FA had a trial and they have deemed it a failure. so its the correct decision, at the correct time well ahead of the next season. i'm sure they'll visit it again and if the tecnology and rules are improved will change their mind, let others work through the bugs if they want to. also you cant leave the decision making to the VAR system as that is far beyond the technical capabilties.
BensGrandad
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Why not many on here and the TV pundits offer an opinion based on that evidence.