[News] Hither Green 'burglar' stabbing: Man, 78, arrested

[alfredmizen]

Bloke with a camera is a knob.

What exactly qualifies him for that status in your opinion ?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Completely agree with this - as I see it it is just some warped mind trying to get one over on the poor bloke who was being robbed. Utterly disgusting. I hope that Mr Osborn-Brooks will be safe in his home when he returns as we all should be.

I suspect Mr Osborn-Brooks will not be returning to his home, but will move elsewhere. I know I would want to.




Edit to add the London Fire Brigade has fitted 4 smoke alarms to the house, because of threats of reprisals from the travelling community.

 

[Hamilton]

What exactly qualifies him for that status in your opinion ?

The officer is right. He's undermining the officer and setting a poor example to his children.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think the Police Chief is just being realistic. I'm sure what he'd like to say is this - "By all means pull down the flowers, but understand that the community you are taking on will show no remorse and no sense of culpability and will keep putting them back up. Let them stick the flowers up and then disappear, otherwise they'll be hanging round like a bad smell for a lot longer than anyone wants."

Has anyone from the traveller community stepped forward to say that Henry Vincent is not the victim that others are trying to paint him out to be? I've not seen anything.

They're too busy concealing Billy Jeeves from arrest.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I know this is a Daily Mail link, but lots of quotes and opinions from the travellers and residents. It seems the vigilante who ripped the flowers down, is not a local. He also took a lot of the bouquets to a local cemetery.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...floral-tributes-burglar-killed-pensioner.html

One of threats quoted
A traveller who knew Vincent for years warned that the dead man's relatives and friends were out for blood. He said: 'They won't get over a death of one of their own and they won't rest until they get their revenge.

'They'll go armed with whatever they've got – guns, knives, anything that they can lay their hands on. There is nothing that they won't do to get their own back on this pensioner.'

 

[GT49er]

One of threats quoted
A traveller who knew Vincent for years warned that the dead man's relatives and friends were out for blood. He said: 'They won't get over a death of one of their own and they won't rest until they get their revenge.

'They'll go armed with whatever they've got – guns, knives, anything that they can lay their hands on. There is nothing that they won't do to get their own back on this pensioner.'

Surely there must be a breach of the peace or some similar crime in there that the OB could take action on? Plus of course immediate stop and search for all 'friends and relatives', with maximum penalties sought for illegal carrying of guns and knives.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

This "pikey code" we hear about, blood vengeance, eye for an eye and all that. I wonder if they ever stop to wonder what they would do if a non pikey broke into one of their minibuses in the middle of the night?

That would end up messy. Leaving tributes outside this poor old blokes house (to which he can now never return) is typical of their warped view of right and wrong.

It's never going to change. Not until someone makes damn sure that these characters are permanently controlled by the law.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

imo this would be fine if a respectful tribute was made. i.e. a single flowers nearby to make their loss. but the family, friends, associates, etc have made over the top efforts here, making it into some sort of martyrdom for their fallen brethen.

If they want to pay tribute to him I suggest a "Viking" burial. Place the thieving gobshite in his velux mobile home with all of his goods, then set fire to it and push it into the deepest landfill they can find.

Then he can take his place in Valhalla where nothing is nailed down and there's no such thing as security tags, and the public parks are open.

 

[btnbelle]

What exactly do you expect the officer in charge of all this to say here? "Yeah, he's dead but frankly, he was an absolute thieving piece of work and we're all delighted he's no longer around"?

And last time I looked, there was no "Prevention Of Laying Flowers In A Public Place Act" that the police had the power to enforce

It would be nice if the police did say that.

They are not laying flowers in a public place, the fence borders a private garden. This family are trespassing again. The police should watch them wherever they park their caravans up, until they cannot operate their illegal activities any more. Hit them in their pockets, so they can't afford flowers. Homeowners everywhere would be grateful and their crime rates for burglar would fall. A win, win.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Bloke with a camera is a knob.

Out of interest...is it an offence to pick daffs from a public place? Also, does the officer have an obligation to give her name when requested to so so?

I'm not planning on doing either btw..just a thought.

 

[Chicken Run]

I can't quite grasp why the flowers need to be laid there. I realise it's become a thing to lay flowers at the scene of somebody's death, but really, in a case like this, where the family of the deceased are angry that they keep getting removed, why not find another spot to place them? Somewhere nowhere near that street, perhaps by their own homes, where nobody will object.

This is not about tributes any more, it's about one side trying to get one over the other, which to my mind entirely defeats the point of the "memorial". If it was really about paying their respects, it wouldn't matter where the flowers were.

I thought he died in hospital no?

 

[alfredmizen]

The officer is right. He's undermining the officer and setting a poor example to his children.

The officer is a jobsworth pillock , its you thats the nob.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Edna. Your insights into police actions are always fair and balanced but there must be times, as a citizen, let alone a police officer, when these characters make your teeth itch.

 

[Hamilton]

The officer is a jobsworth pillock , its you thats the nob.

So, you don't want the police to do their job then? Which laws are they allowed to police and which are they not? It doesn't matter how trivial it is, if there is a law there then it's there to be policed. The chances are that this bloke got a written citation or fine because he was behaving like an idiot. Had he just said yes officer, sorry officer I was in the wrong, then he could have gone on his way. But we live in this self-righteous society where people think that armed with a camera and youtube they can challenge anyone in authority that has the temerity to point out that they are in the wrong..

He should have just realised he was wrong and backed down. A bit like you.

 

[alfredmizen]

So, you don't want the police to do their job then? Which laws are they allowed to police and which are they not? It doesn't matter how trivial it is, if there is a law there then it's there to be policed. The chances are that this bloke got a written citation or fine because he was behaving like an idiot. Had he just said yes officer, sorry officer I was in the wrong, then he could have gone on his way. But we live in this self-righteous society where people think that armed with a camera and youtube they can challenge anyone in authority that has the temerity to point out that they are in the wrong..

He should have just realised he was wrong and backed down. A bit like you.

Do.fvck off.mate., when british police are.too sh1t.scared to enforce.rules that they KNOW are there as in this video , tben dont tell me that stopping a kid.picking daffodils is justified .

 

[Hamilton]

Do.fvck off.mate., when british police are.too sh1t.scared to enforce.rules that they KNOW are there as in this video , tben dont tell me that stopping a kid.picking daffodils is justified .

Sounds like you are having a hard day. You're right. The British police are a bunch of weak willed lilly livered fools.

 

[alfredmizen]

Sounds like you are having a hard day. You're right. The British police are a bunch of weak willed lilly livered fools.

It.doesnt sound like im having a hard.day at all , perhaps improve your.posting if.you want to.appear as if youre gaining some sort of upper hand , rather than lazy descriptions of some mythical hard day.

 

[Hamilton]

It.doesnt sound like im having a hard.day at all , perhaps improve your.posting if.you want to.appear as if youre gaining some sort of upper hand , rather than lazy descriptions of some mythical hard day.

I don't think I need to improve my posting. You're doing a perfectly good enough job for me.

 

[alfredmizen]

I don't think I need to improve my posting. You're doing a perfectly good enough job for me.

A depressingly predictable reply.

 

[Hamilton]

A depressingly predictable reply.

As predictable as your attempts to pull everything back to some West vs Muslims issue.

Your post is flawed in that you seem to wish to pick and choose the laws that should and should not be policed. For some reason you feel that it is perfectly acceptable for some idiot with an iPhone to upload footage of a police officer in one part of the country going about her job because officers in another part of the country are not doing theirs.

Face it, you are a short-fused nationalist with an agenda to push regardless of the thread issue at hand. It's boring. Try and stick to the subject mate.

In this case, the British Police in Hither Green are using their judgment. I'd imagine it was the same in the Royal Parks. The woman with her camera was doing all she could to stir up the debate. She's right as well - they can't pray in the park. But those two officers were probably thinking that there were other things about to happen in that park - larger things to police. They were using their judgment.

The police do make errors. Of course they do. But stop picking bits of video footage to push your tired, boring, dull, ill-thought through agenda. Try and open your eyes to a slightly bigger picture.

I'm not going to be debating this with you on this thread any longer, because a) I'm busy and b) you're a knob.