[Politics] Brexit

[ManOfSussex]

Being imaginative means you can be pragmatic too, I do not know enough about the sector you are highlighting, so you might be able to offer how this might be addressed and how Brexit adversely effects the outcomes, it seems that other rich countries outside of the EU can ensure a high level care to it's citizens why not post Brexit UK.

I don't know the answer I'm afraid and I don't really think The Government do either at present. Strange how nobody in that sector appears to be saying 'less immigrants in the workforce' is the answer though.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Where the previous models have been built would be favourite to make the new model, as that plant would no longer be making the old model, it would make sense no?

You'd say yes it would be most obvious but then we keep getting told by remainers that all the car manufacturers are running away from us because of Brexit. Toyota do have plants elsewhere in the EU.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

The Metro is owned by DMG, Chief Exec, Paul Dacre. Yes one Theresa May recently attended his 25th Mail Editor anniversary party. Its a grubby, grubby world out there

No worse than the Pro-EU booklet the government printed and sent to everyone ..... at taxpayers cost.

 

[The Clamp]

You're both just trying to mitigate your embarrassment where I called you out on your previous absurd posts on this thread, poor show.

Haha! The idea of you, YOU, accurately calling anyone out did give me a chuckle. Brilliant. Thanks for that. Lovely.

 

[BigGully]

I’ll direct everyone to post 38404 onwards and let everyone else be the judge. It’s very simple, I called option 1) and was correct.

For the benefit of the simple, when one posts an exhaustive list of outcomes it means every outcome, and some may be extreme and less probable than others. This does not invalidate the entire list as you seem to believe. A bit like my life tomorrow....one outcome is death....extreme and unlikely, I hope, but it’s a legitimate outcome none the less.

Yes you did say that the likely outcome was your option 1) but you added another two scenarios 2) delay in medicines 3) the UK would become the Wild West of medicine and your mates were all over that like a rash.

The whole debate was triggered with a post from another poster saying that Brexit threatened medicines for cancer patients and after your post others went for your scenario 2) and 3) saying they were the likely outcome, I was simply consistent not needed to be some expert but that with the UK being the 5/6th largest economy in the world we would still have total and unfettered access to medicines after Brexit just like it does today.

There's such a resentfulness for the referendum result that it has spawned a near fanatical belief that the UK's government is incompetent at anything it does and is bound to fail at almost everything it undertakes, take a look at the silly photo of Liam Fox and it's comment.

Bit like the story of the threat of disruption when flying to and from the EU and the UK, I bet without being an aviation expert that you will be able to fly seamlessly from Berlin to Gatwick in a post Brexit UK as you do now, but some posters seem to be convinced that travel between the EU and the UK will be nearly impossible.

 

[ManOfSussex]

No worse than the Pro-EU booklet the government printed and sent to everyone ..... at taxpayers cost.

That would depend on where The DUP received the money from. Would receiving it from Russia perhaps be worse?

 

[nicko31]

No worse than the Pro-EU booklet the government printed and sent to everyone ..... at taxpayers cost.

The facts are slowly coming true

 

[Publius Ovidius]

You do realise that there remains net migration into the UK, there still is more EU citizens coming to the UK than leaving and net migration into the UK has been continuous for the past 25 years, so if last year for example the haulage/farming industry was able to survive when net migration was say EU 200 000+ then if this year we have yet another EU 100 000+ migrants on top of that then it begs the question what's their point, seems that they are just lobbying for some special dispensation to continue accessing a relentless supply cheap labour.

Any business model that relies on a narrow profile of recruitment is bound to become vulnerable if that recruitment policy becomes compromised, they will need to be a bit more imaginative and introduce changes just like they did when they quickly saw an opportunity to recruit EU workers cheaper for longer at the start of the high immigration cycle, god forbid they need to actually pay a sustainable wage to potential UK workers.

Worth noting that for those leaving the UK, both EU and non EU citizens 75% have left for work in another country it's not that we have suddenly become xenophobic or unwelcoming they are choosing to leave for other opportunities elsewhere and a devalued pound effects those decision, they are just being opportunistic just like their bosses were when they recruited them in the first instance.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...grationstatisticsquarterlyreport/february2018

I totally agree with you..everyone apart from your sources tell horrendous lies...they are all into fake news and it will be better than ever. Even as good as when we had the EMPIRE and ruled the world.

I am so looking forward to This!

We have our country back...it is all going to be brilliant!

 

[nicko31]

That would depend on where The DUP received the money from. Would receiving it from Russia perhaps be worse?

The source is just the tip of the iceberg who was involved in supply chain

 

[BigGully]

Haha! The idea of you, YOU, accurately calling anyone out did give me a chuckle. Brilliant. Thanks for that. Lovely.

Really how about this, The Clamp 23rd January 2018 on our current recession:

Financial experts admit they thought it would happen quicker but they also all agree it is happening. Undeniably.

Where do I claim my prize .........

 

[Publius Ovidius]

How does that work with the NHS then for example? Tier visa restrictions on non-EU staff, the bursary gone on nursing training, staff leaving, care workers not taking up RGN training places now as they used to, as being in debt isn't attractive in middle age etc, etc - It's not quite all on the same page. For example prior to Christmas in NHS England there were 90 psychiatrist posts vacant and 30 Consultant psychiatrist roles vacant in mental health - it takes years to train people to do those roles, 13 in the case of a consultant, being a bit more imaginative isn't really the solution there.

Speaking of care workers - I've lost track how many care homes have closed in my neck of the woods in recent years due to ongoing financial constraints in the social care sector, and there plenty of vacancies advertised now since 2016 - I really can't quite see how care workers wages are going to rise anytime soon.

Fake news. Big gully and his Myriad of sources say so!

Fall into line MOS

 

[portslade seagull]

What's today's frenzy report can't be arsed to trawl for it

 

[The Clamp]

Really how about this, The Clamp 23rd January 2018 on our current recession:

Financial experts admit they thought it would happen quicker but they also all agree it is happening. Undeniably.

Where do I claim my prize .........

I stand by that. Perfectly accurate reporting. Anyway, as I say, thanks for the chuckle. As you were.

 

[nicko31]

The not so fantastic Mr Fox has been clocking up the air miles over the last year or so, pleading with the likes of Saudi A, Duterte of The Philippines, China & other such like democracies to give the UK a trade deal post brexit. Liam hasn't been particularly successful up to this point. He's also spouted much rhetoric about The UK becoming more global & outward looking, stating business needs to get out their comfort zone of Europe and seek more worldly deals. Liam was leading by example just a few nights ago - drowning his sorrows in a Munich Brauhaus, looking as though he's in no state to dance a Schuhplattler, or strike a trade deal. Those 'easy deals' appear to be taking their toll on poor Liam. It looks like 'hell' to me.......

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So its not a spoof?

https://twitter.com/ThatTimWalker/status/971684531819438081/photo/1

 

[kevo]

What's today's frenzy report can't be arsed to trawl for it

Government's impact study released in full. All Brexit scenarios will screw up the economy, hard Brexit the worst.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/5-cha...dy-damage-threatened-by-leaving-the-eu-2018-3

 

[vegster]

Government's impact study released in full. All Brexit scenarios will screw up the economy, hard Brexit the worst.
http://uk.businessinsider.com/5-cha...dy-damage-threatened-by-leaving-the-eu-2018-3

I despair, the country is already going to the dogs and now this comes along.

 

[Ernest]

I despair, the country is already going to the dogs and now this comes along.

Easiest trade deal of all time, we sell them more than they sell us, blah blah blah

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Well I guess we'll all take away different things from the impact assessment. This was the one that leapt out at me: "Brexit-voting areas will be worst hit". Just rather sad really.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

Big Gully writes: "There's such a resentfulness for the referendum result that it has spawned a near fanatical belief that the UK's government is incompetent at anything it does and is bound to fail at almost everything it undertakes..............."

I do think you might have a point. But, to balance things out a bit, perhaps you could point to some of the successes of the senior Cabinet team in terms of Brexit?

 

[BigGully]

Big Gully writes: "There's such a resentfulness for the referendum result that it has spawned a near fanatical belief that the UK's government is incompetent at anything it does and is bound to fail at almost everything it undertakes..............."

I do think you might have a point. But, to balance things out a bit, perhaps you could point to some of the successes of the senior Cabinet team in terms of Brexit?

Well it's not for me to tell you what a wonderful job they are doing, even if I could do so you wouldn't accept it and that's the point really.

I think my overall comment might be that actually presently our economy is doing ok and considerably better than was predicted, but from your earlier post I don't think you are ready to even accept that, even The Guardian said last month ''Upswing in global growth bumps up the pound as UK economy proves resilient despite concerns over leaving the EU''

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/24/sterling-hits-highest-level-since-brexit-vote

You mentioned earlier that you expected (as far as I know without any qualification to know) that there would be a likely continued devaluation of sterling with increased inflation at odds with independent strategists and the Bank of England who said:

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-today/8360-optimism-towards-sterling-grows

''The findings at Nomura are echoed by those of French multi-national banking giant BNP Paribas who now report a moderate build up of long GBP positions. "FX funds appear to have cut back large GBP short positions," says Natalie Rickard, FX Strategist with BNP Paribas''.

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/monetary-policy-summary-and-minutes/2018/february-2018

''The fall in the pound happened around 18 months ago. Its effect on inflation doesn't last forever. And in the next few months inflation is going to start to fall back gradually towards our target.''

I could I suppose also cite how the pound was firmer after the last round of Brexit negotiations, but perhaps you are too busy assuming they were actually woeful and even worse now and of course that Liam Fox is now a drunk and so it goes on.

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/eur/8251-brexit-clarification-and-the-pound-to-euro-exchange-rate

''Strategists see Pound Sterling Advancing in 2018 Amidst Growing Brexit Clarity''

So we are back to the tribal stuff that Remainers are Remoaners and Brexiteers a wishful thinking twits and we wont be able to fly planes, our passports will be worthless and the economy is bound to crash and burn the very moment Brexit happens and of course those predictions, that's key for those of you that have incessantly predicted economic Armegeddon, fingers crossed.

It's just all a bit silly really.