[Politics] Brexit

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[Chicken Run]

Jeremy Corbyn says the Remain Ship has sailed and rules out a second referendum, how do his remain supporters feel about this?

 

[The Clamp]

Jeremy Corbyn says the Remain Ship has sailed and rules out a second referendum, how do his remain supporters feel about this?

Pretty much nothing. It's not and never was his call to make, what difference doesn't it make what he thinks about the matter?

 

[Baldseagull]

Jeremy Corbyn says the Remain Ship has sailed and rules out a second referendum, how do his remain supporters feel about this?

Another referendum is a difficult proposition for both May and Corbyn. As things stand they can hide behind the referendum result, i.e. "not our idea, you voted for it"
To stand strongly behind one option or the other, inevitably alienates about half the voters. If there is a more obvious change of mind between now and the deal being agreed, I think he will change his mind.
There are a lot of twists yet to come in this, I don't believe we will have a deal agreed in time to be put before Parliaments here and in EU before we exit. We cannot have a transition period to an unknown destination, so I think we will either have an agreed extension to our membership and negotiations will continue, or A50 will be revoked to prevent us from falling out without a deal.
Extended membership could take us to another GE and then who knows what will happen?
To suggest this at the moment will attract the "traitor" comments, so to keep everyone from losing their shit, Davis and May pretend it is all fine and on course to get done.
Corbyn will be loudly pro remain by the end of this I reckon.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

You're paranoid bordering on conspiracy and more importantly you're wrong.

Didn't think you would like the truth but then again' you are obviously sold on the European dream and we are a million miles apart on that. Just study history a bit more and it might become a bit clearer.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

What’s your position on the moon landings?

Mental note to self: give Mo a wide berth.

Please do.
We are clearly 186,000 miles apart.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

I thought I had all of you dribbling spacktards on ignore by now but there's one here that seems to have slipped the net. Thank you for allowing me to correct the situation.

Thank you for your intelligent, thoughtful and reasoned reply. I assume that you regard everything I say as fanciful and untrue.

 

[The Clamp]

Didn't think you would like the truth but then again' you are obviously sold on the European dream and we are a million miles apart on that. Just study history a bit more and it might become a bit clearer.

Genuine question, where and to what level did you study history? Because that copied and pasted conspiracy theory you posted earlier is not from any history curriculum, it's a piece of revisionist propaganda.
The EU has its problems. Germany has done well and worked well with and for the EU. To put those two together and come up with the idea that Forgotten Nazis from WW2 have taken stolen loot and used it to finance a covert taking over of the continent is frankly bonkers.

If you knew history as you claim to you would know that while some loot did escape Germany with Nazis most was seized by the allies and taken as reparation.
Any german war criminal or theif with loot got as far away from Europe with their money as possible. They most certainly did not stick around to fulfil a crazed ideal of taking over the financial systems of Europe.

The fact you read that claptrap and entertained if for one second proves to all that you are clueless when it comes to history. Now, unless you can come up with something vaguely credible I suggest you sit on your hands incase you're tempted to post again.

 

[Baldseagull]

Didn't think you would like the truth but then again' you are obviously sold on the European dream and we are a million miles apart on that. Just study history a bit more and it might become a bit clearer.

Study more than one account of history, your essay was very one eyed.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

So you read this somewhere did you ? Was it on the wall in the Daily Mail staffroom as a " Mission Statement " ? If this is genuinely your own work you are going to end up in the foil hat section before long.

I have a German background. I have spent years talking at length with Germans about the re-generation of their country and the strength of their country in Europe. I have done much business throughout Europe and travelled widely These are views gleaned from many different mouths and attitudes over the years and I have read widely to determine how much is fact and how much is fiction.
Clearly, some on here are so one-eyed over Europe and have bought into the dream of a co-operative Superstate without recourse to research and analysis, that any in depth discussion is deemed unnecessary, just condemnation. Each to their own.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Genuine question, where and to what level did you study history? Because that copied and pasted conspiracy theory you posted earlier is not from any history curriculum, it's a piece of revisionist propaganda.
The EU has its problems. Germany has done well and worked well with and for the EU. To put those two together and come up with the idea that Forgotten Nazis from WW2 have taken stolen loot and used it to finance a covert taking over of the continent is frankly bonkers.

If you knew history as you claim to you would know that while some loot did escape Germany with Nazis most was seized by the allies and taken as reparation.
Any german war criminal or theif with loot got as far away from Europe with their money as possible. They most certainly did not stick around to fulfil a crazed ideal of taking over the financial systems of Europe.

The fact you read that claptrap and entertained if for one second proves to all that you are clueless when it comes to history. Now, unless you can come up with something vaguely credible I suggest you sit on your hands incase you're tempted to post again.

Forgive me for having the affrontory to post again but I assume that the rapid growth of heavy industry in Germany and the rapid decline in certain other European countries was pure coincidence.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Study more than one account of history, your essay was very one eyed.

So it contained no truths?

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Jeremy Corbyn says the Remain Ship has sailed and rules out a second referendum, how do his remain supporters feel about this?

Yes he clearly ruled out a second referendum now and in the future. He also said the Norway model was not an option.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-pol...exit-we-re-not-asking-for-a-second-referendum

Grim viewing for some I expect.

 

[vegster]

I have a German background. I have spent years talking at length with Germans about the re-generation of their country and the strength of their country in Europe. I have done much business throughout Europe and travelled widely These are views gleaned from many different mouths and attitudes over the years and I have read widely to determine how much is fact and how much is fiction.
Clearly, some on here are so one-eyed over Europe and have bought into the dream of a co-operative Superstate without recourse to research and analysis, that any in depth discussion is deemed unnecessary, just condemnation. Each to their own.

If you re-read your original post this does not sound like an objective view from many sources, it really just sounds like someone gobbing off in a pub after six pints. The EU is not some carve up McMafia and there has always been much democratic input in to it's direction, it's just that we never engaged with it fully, always looking for opt outs but loving the trading opportunities. The working time directive was a great case in point, of course we Brits love to work 50 hours plus a week ( " to get on" : Cameron, D )when in reality it would mean companies would have to employ more staff thus redistributing profits, the " Trickledown Effect " that rarely occurs. No, us Brits prefer to have to work extra hours to get a living wage.

 

[The Clamp]

Forgive me for having the affrontory to post again but I assume that the rapid growth of heavy industry in Germany and the rapid decline in certain other European countries was pure coincidence.

There are very few coincidences in such matters. Try to use reason to look for a sensible reason things occur rather then jumping straight to conspiracy. Anyway, I realise you are clearly a conspiracy theorist and I have a strict rule not to engage conspiracy theorists, they are unstable, toxic, and try to drag people into their dark world. Not for me thank you.
TB
TC

 

[Baldseagull]

So it contained no truths?

I think it is true that industry declined in the UK after joining the EEA, and that membership was a factor, but certainly not the only one, the major one, or relevant to today. Other than that, no, it is a paranoid view of the EU.
There is no role for UK government policy, or the rise of the far east in industrial production in your world, you claim it is all Nazi gold and a German conspiracy, under the guise of the EU.
If you have the time and are inclined, read this https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...e/277158/ep2-government-policy-since-1945.pdf

 

[The Clamp]

Even Brexits most fervent supporters recognise Brexit is going to be nothing like the idea they had on voting day. Even Farage admits we will be in the EU in all but name.

There couldn't be a worse outcome. What a mess.

 

[Garry Nelson's teacher]

A simple point. I've yet to see anyone convincingly demonstrate that the loss of the trade which will follow (as night follows day) leaving the EU will be matched by the trade created by our ability to make our own deals with new trade partners. Can anyone please provide this? Yes we can drape Liam Fox in a union flag and send him around the world (preferably with a single rather than a return ticket) but does anyone really believe that he can deliver?

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

A simple point. I've yet to see anyone convincingly demonstrate that the loss of the trade which will follow (as night follows day) leaving the EU will be matched by the trade created by our ability to make our own deals with new trade partners. Can anyone please provide this? Yes we can drape Liam Fox in a union flag and send him around the world (preferably with a single rather than a return ticket) but does anyone really believe that he can deliver?

The huge problem is that the whole world can see how desperate the UK is to get trade deals with new partners; it needs them. And one only has to look at May when she is in Trump’s company to see this...it’s not a great position to be in when thrashing out a deal.

 

[pastafarian]

It's hard to ignore you when I could be missing out on gems like this!View attachment 93287

Your bookmark list and the definition of Clamp that you found give quite the insight into your personality. Where is the Clamp one stored? I'm guessing "spare porn".

I know, im fully aware you cant ignore me and its too hard to do so, you show it when you have replied to me even though you are pretending to ignore me.
I don’t understand how this is so hard for you, you pretend you put me on ignore yet reply to my posts, don’t you understand the concept of “on ignore”?
People like you are incapable of actually ignoring anyone mind you, your narcissistic ego wont allow it.
Feel free to reply whilst having me on ignore, it will please at least one of your alter egos.