[Politics] Brexit

[GT49er]

They all broke the rules, but Greece took the absolute piss. Austerity could disappear if they actually collected the tax they should. Greece's issues are of it's own making but the Euro enabled them to do it, and really they should not have been allowed to join it.

Of course they shouldn't have been allowed to join - although I think the reality is more that they weren't allowed not to join - it was part of the EU's big integration plan, all joined together under one executive, one financial system, etc. - One currency to suit them all, and in the Euro bind them! Fortunately, the UK refused to join the Euro; poor little Greece wasn't strong enough to.

How will Britain exiting the EU help?

We didn't vote Leave to help Greece! Though if Brexit is the first step in dismantling the rule of Brussels that may help them in the long term.

 

[Baldseagull]

Leavers on here 'read' as confused, unable to back up arguments with non biased sources and when called out, in general, resort to anglo saxon insults because they cannot use the English language with any finesse. Whiners without substance whereas the winners seem like they hold all the argumentative cards.

I think you may be a bit confused yourself reading that, actually reading everything you have ever posted gives the same impression.

 

[The Rivet]

OK Baldy...

 

[pastafarian]

I don't think Ppf will thank you for denying his racism, he clearly is, and clearly unashamed to be so.

You don’t? That’s your opinion I suppose, best ask him though not me

I don’t read every thread on NSC or every post of Ppf
But since you are another that claims he makes racist posts can you share some?
Clamp doesn’t seem to be able to do it, in fact no one seems to be able to find any…..can you buck the trend please and share some of them?
Would hate to think some of you are making it up.

 

[pastafarian]

This thread is rapidly becoming very stagnated and repetitive.

To put a bit of spice back into this thread is it not possible to New Year pardon all those that have been banned from it in the past in the spirit of coming together , seems rather unfair for a user of any persuasion to be obstructed on a permanent basis from a thread that is coming up to two years of existence and plays a massive part in NSC and peoples lives. Kicked off the thread for a few weeks is one thing but permanently …..seems a bit rough.

Any thoughts @Bozza and other mods?

 

[nicko31]

This thread is rapidly becoming very stagnated and repetitive.

To put a bit of spice back into this thread is it not possible to New Year pardon all those that have been banned from it in the past in the spirit of coming together , seems rather unfair for a user of any persuasion to be obstructed on a permanent basis from a thread that is coming up to two years of existence and plays a massive part in NSC and peoples lives. Kicked off the thread for a few weeks is one thing but permanently …..seems a bit rough.

Any thoughts @Bozza and other mods?

No thanks, Brextremists are over represented on here relative to their small numbers amongst Albion fans as it is

 

[cheshunt seagull]

This thread is rapidly becoming very stagnated and repetitive.

To put a bit of spice back into this thread is it not possible to New Year pardon all those that have been banned from it in the past in the spirit of coming together , seems rather unfair for a user of any persuasion to be obstructed on a permanent basis from a thread that is coming up to two years of existence and plays a massive part in NSC and peoples lives. Kicked off the thread for a few weeks is one thing but permanently …..seems a bit rough.

Any thoughts @Bozza and other mods?

What would make the thread less stagnant is if supporters of the leave position actually told us what they were for, rather than against. Most of their posts can be summarised like this.

• The EU institutions and programmes are corrupt, bureaucratic and undemocratic: OK we know they think this, what will replace them?
• Democracy is democracy (or it was in June 2016), Brexit is Brexit, etc : meaningless.
• Anyone raising an awkward question about the process is schemingly seditious or a loon: hardly consistent with any interpretation of democracy or a serious commitment to successful change.
• Ignore the experts, it isn’t going to be as rubbish as they say; look Sports Direct in Grantham are hiring 2 new sales assistants; not really very inspiring.

So what is the leaver’s vision for 2025 or 2030: a combination of Singapore and Walmington-on-Sea; The Handmaid’s Tale?? They got us to this position; inspire us and maybe then we can discuss the merits of this vision and the likelihood that we can get there.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

Oh do tell, we're all agog...........which party did 80% of the people vote for in 2017? They must have won a right old landslide......funny we didn't notice it. Probably all because of Brexit.............

I think you may have made yourself look a bit silly with this post.

 

[Baldseagull]

You don’t? That’s your opinion I suppose, best ask him though not me

I don’t read every thread on NSC or every post of Ppf
But since you are another that claims he makes racist posts can you share some?
Clamp doesn’t seem to be able to do it, in fact no one seems to be able to find any…..can you buck the trend please and share some of them?
Would hate to think some of you are making it up.

I can't be arsed to prove to you what all of NSC knows, don't make a prick of yourself.

 

[The Clamp]

Leavers on here 'read' as confused, unable to back up arguments with non biased sources and when called out, in general, resort to anglo saxon insults because they cannot use the English language with any finesse. Whiners without substance whereas the winners seem like they hold all the argumentative cards.

 

[The Clamp]

I don't see how post Brexit Britain is likely to be more class driven. For years the natural progression, both legal and in terms of social mores and customs has moved steadily away from class. Think of the one time universal hierarchies that have broken down - men over women? Now sexual equality. Straights over gays? No, now both the law and social mores have moved to equal rights for homosexual people. I'm not saying either of these processes are complete, but they've moved a hell of a long way in the last 50 years - and I don't see being in or out of the EU making any difference.
The reinforcement of class through the use of titles has virtually disappeared - I can't remember the last time I was addressed as 'Mr.' by a professional or tradesperson - it's always egalitarian Christian names - sorry, first names - now. And as for Labour and Conservative - are the PLP anything like working class these days? Come to think of it, do many of the Tory MPs look like a bunch of toffs?
This breakdown of a class system is an organic process - driven by societal changes. Do you see any way that this will change after Brexit? I can't.
The wealth gap (definitely not to be confused with class), though - that is still well and truly with us. I don't think Brexit will cure it - not quickly, anyway - but neither would remaining. After all, the gap between the rich and the poor in this country has risen out of control on the EU's watch.

The gap has widened due to successive money grubbing governments. Not just Tories. The EU is dedicated to balancing wealth disparity. You watch the gap widen, esp in areas such as the North West, North East, and the West country once w e are out and the funding disappears along with EU funded health centres and social resources. It is undeinably going to get very messy for a lot of poor people. Has May come up with a plan to replace this funding and continue building social resources for the most vulnerable in society? That needs to be addressed.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

This thread is rapidly becoming very stagnated and repetitive.

To put a bit of spice back into this thread is it not possible to New Year pardon all those that have been banned from it in the past in the spirit of coming together , seems rather unfair for a user of any persuasion to be obstructed on a permanent basis from a thread that is coming up to two years of existence and plays a massive part in NSC and peoples lives. Kicked off the thread for a few weeks is one thing but permanently …..seems a bit rough.

Any thoughts @Bozza and other mods?

I’m only aware of Cunning Fergus having been banned. Who are the others?

 

[The Clamp]

Stereotyping so much easier than dealing with hard facts/the truth ... bless.

Not in my experience. Any verifiable evidence that in the real world anyone has ever been sanctioned for only not logging on to a Universal job match account .. not applying for jobs you are capable of doing rather than relying on state handouts is OK then .. the wonder of Corbynism, world owes me a living/victimhood.

I am sure there are some cases of overbearing/unfair thresholds re benefits but to suggest this is why we have record employment, low levels of unemployment is nonsense.

The liars telling you we were 'all in it together' told you to vote Remain .... well done for doing as you were told.

One of the causes of sanctions being imposed is that some people simply do nbot have the wherewithall to fill out forms, use computers, use th einternet, answer letters, keep appointments or generally organise their lives. These are almost without exception the most vulnerable. Universal credit for people like this is a disaster. They wait all month for a payment and then get a lump sum that they then have to work out a budget for and pay bills etc. Some people are simply not capable of managing this. It spirals out of control.

One lady who was repeatedly raped and beaten by her partner was locked in the house for days on end, missing appointment after appointment until she was sanctioned out of the system altogether. The partner did a runner, she ended up on the street and was found raped and murdered in January of last year.

 

[Titanic]

This thread is rapidly becoming very stagnated and repetitive.

To put a bit of spice back into this thread is it not possible to New Year pardon all those that have been banned from it in the past in the spirit of coming together , seems rather unfair for a user of any persuasion to be obstructed on a permanent basis from a thread that is coming up to two years of existence and plays a massive part in NSC and peoples lives. Kicked off the thread for a few weeks is one thing but permanently …..seems a bit rough.

Any thoughts @Bozza and other mods?

I may be reading it wrong... but I can't see that anyone is banned from this thread.

 

[Publius Ovidius]

Britain is pushing to remain under EU regulation for medicines after Brexit, the latest sign ministers want to stay close to Europe in some sectors despite the bloc warning the UK cannot “cherry-pick” parts of the single market.

The move follows calls for the UK’s chemicals and aviation industries to continue to be regulated by EU agencies, keeping them within Europe’s standards and safety regime and under the auspices of the European Court of Justice.

Three senior government figures have told the Financial Times that the UK hopes to be regulated by the European Medicines Agency, even as the body moves from London’s Canary Wharf to a new post-Brexit home in Amsterdam.


Blimey...that would be interesting. I suppose they are being pragmatic as their biggest markets are in Europe!

 

[GT49er]

I think you may have made yourself look a bit silly with this post.

Perhaps you should word your posts more carefully. Read it again, and see what you actually said.

 

[GT49er]

[/B] The gap has widened due to successive money grubbing governments. Not just Tories.

Of course it wasn't just under the Tories - never said it was. It happened under Labour as well (who in theory at least are dedicated to balancing wealth discrepancy). The common denominator, though, is that it has happened in the EU's watch. Whether the powers that be in Brussels wanted it to happen doesn't matter; it did happen.

[/B]The EU is dedicated to balancing wealth disparity.

Tell that to the Greeks! They haven't succeeded anywhere else, for that matter.

 

[cheshunt seagull]

Of course it wasn't just under the Tories - never said it was. It happened under Labour as well (who in theory at least are dedicated to balancing wealth discrepancy). The common denominator, though, is that it has happened in the EU's watch. Whether the powers that be in Brussels wanted it to happen doesn't matter; it did happen.


Tell that to the Greeks! They haven't succeeded anywhere else, for that matter.

Also the Finns and Danes?

 

[The Clamp]

Of course it wasn't just under the Tories - never said it was. It happened under Labour as well (who in theory at least are dedicated to balancing wealth discrepancy). The common denominator, though, is that it has happened in the EU's watch. Whether the powers that be in Brussels wanted it to happen doesn't matter; it did happen.


Tell that to the Greeks! They haven't succeeded anywhere else, for that matter.

They have eased our situation. Without the EU the gap is going to become a yawning chasm. This country is going to change for the worse forever. This Tory government, unchecked is going to ruin the average person. Strap in, the Tories will rinse you, me and anyone who isn't them.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

First,it was the NHS that got dropped due to Brexit, now there’s no time or political will for a promised fox hunting vote. This government has no time for anything but Brexit, probably spending all it’s time of industry impact analysis cough cough

Yawn .... repeating nicko31's rubbish won't make it true. Here's my reply to him when he made the same stupid claim :

What a load of bollocks - Parliament has discussed over 200 non-EU bills in the last six months ( see below ). Paralysis my arse !

Sanctions and Anti-Money Laundering Bill [HL]
Registration of Marriage Bill [HL]
Pension Benefits (Ill Health) Bill
Open Skies Agreement (Membership) Bill [HL]
Laser Misuse (Vehicles) Bill [HL]
Finance (No.2) Bill
Emergency Response Drivers (Protections) Bill
Conscientious Objection (Medical Activities) Bill [HL]
Access to Radiotherapy Bill
University of London Bill [HL]
Richmond Burgage Pastures Bill [HL]
City of London Corporation (Open Spaces) Bill
Trade Bill
Telecommunications Infrastructure (Relief from Non-Domestic Rates) Bill
Space Industry Bill [HL]
Smart Meters Bill
Refugees (Family Reunion) Bill [HL]
Nuclear Safeguards Bill
Local Government Elections (Referendum) Bill [HL]
Immigration Control (Gross Human Rights Abuses) Bill [HL]
High Speed Rail (West Midlands - Crewe) Bill
Financial Guidance and Claims Bill [HL]
Automated and Electric Vehicles Bill
Armed Forces (Flexible Working) Bill [HL]
Short and Holiday-Let Accommodation (Notification of Local Authorities) Bill
Taxation (Cross-border Trade) Bill
Food Insecurity Bill
Data Protection Bill [HL]
Local Authorities (Removal of Council Tax Restrictions) Bill
Courts (Abuse of Process) Bill
Terms of Withdrawal from EU (Referendum) Bill
Sanctions (Human Rights Abuse and Corruption) Bill
Tyres (Buses and Coaches) Bill
Service Animals (Offences) Bill
Registration of Marriage (No. 2) Bill
Clean Air Bill
Voter Registration (No. 2) Bill
Parental Bereavement (Leave and Pay) Bill
Automatic Electoral Registration (No. 2) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement and Education) Bill
Prisons (Interference with Wireless Telegraphy) Bill
Principal Local Authorities (Grounds for Abolition) Bill
Parliamentary Constituencies (Amendment) Bill
Judicial Appointments and Retirements (Age Limits) Bill
Health and Social Care (National Data Guardian) Bill
Coastal Path (Definition) Bill
Genocide Determination (No. 2) Bill
Finance (No.2) Act 2017
Child Maintenance (Assessment of Parents' Income) Bill
Universal Credit (Application, Advice and Assistance) Bill
Home Education (Duty of Local Authorities) Bill [HL]
Equality Act 2010 (Amendment) (Disabled Access) Bill [HL]
Creditworthiness Assessment Bill [HL]
Automatic Travel Compensation Bill
New Southgate Cemetery Act 2017
Northern Ireland Budget Act 2017
Air Travel Organisers' Licensing Act 2017
Mental Health Units (Use of Force) Bill
Assaults on Emergency Workers (Offences) Bill
Hospital Car Parking Charges (Abolition) Bill
Leasehold Reform Bill
Middle Level Bill
Armed Forces (Statute of Limitations) Bill
Affordable Home Ownership Bill
Unpaid Work Experience (Prohibition) Bill [HL]
Democratic Political Activity (Funding and Expenditure) Bill [HL]
Asset Freezing (Compensation) Bill [HL]
Live Animal Exports (Prohibition) Bill
Workers (Definition and Rights) Bill
Sublet Property (Offences) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Discharge) Bill
Stamp Duty Bill
Speed Limits (England) Bill
Public Sector Exit Payments (Limitation) Bill
Mobile Homes and Park Homes Bill
Manufactured Goods (Trade) Bill
Local Audit (Public Access to Documents) Bill
Fruit and Vegetables (Classification) Bill
Fishing (Access to Territorial Waters) Bill
Electronic Cigarettes (Regulation) Bill
Electoral Commission (Duties) Bill
Domestic Energy (Value Added Tax) Bill
Criminal Fraud (Private Prosecutions) Bill
Armed Forces (Volunteer Reserve) Bill
Channel 4 (Relocation) Bill
Business of the House Commission Bill
Fetal Dopplers (Regulation) Bill
Legalisation of Cannabis (Medicinal Purposes) Bill
Green Belt (Protection) Bill
House of Lords (Exclusion of Hereditary Peers) Bill
Carbon Monoxide (Detection and Safety) Bill
Modern Slavery (Victim Support) Bill [HL]
House of Lords (Hereditary Peers) (Abolition of By-Elections) Bill [HL]
Age of Criminal Responsibility Bill [HL]
Pensions (Review of Women's Arrangements) (No. 2) Bill
Local Authorities (Borrowing and Investment) Bill
International Payments (Audit) Bill
Working Time (Regulations) Bill
Voter Registration Bill
Value Added Tax Bill
Unpaid Trial Work Periods (Prohibition) Bill
Tax Rates and Duties (Review) Bill
Student Loans (Debt Interest) Bill
Stalking Protection Bill
Schools Bill
School Holidays (Meals and Activities) Bill
Representation of the People (Young People's Enfranchisement) Bill
Public Services (Availability) Bill
Public Service Broadcasters (Privatisation) Bill
Prime Minister (Temporary Replacement) Bill
Prime Minister (Accountability to House of Commons) Bill
Pilot (Licensing) Bill
Physician Associates (Regulation) Bill
Pensions (Review of Women?s Arrangements) Bill
Parliamentary Allowances (Restriction) Bill
Parking (Code of Practice) Bill
Overseas Electors Bill
Ovarian Cancer (Public Awareness) Bill
Organ Donation (Deemed Consent) Bill
Northamptonshire Clinical Commissioning Groups (Merger) Bill
North Northamptonshire (Urgent Care Facilities) Bill
National Living Wage (Extension to Young People) Bill
National Health Service (Co-Funding and Co-Payment) Bill
Local Roads (Investment) Bill
Local Government Finance Bill
Licensing of Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles (Safeguarding and Road Safety) Bill
Leader of the House of Commons (Election) Bill
June Bank Holiday (Creation) Bill
Isham Bypass Bill
International Development Assistance (Limit) Bill
International Development Assistance (Definition) Bill
Import Tariff (Reduction) Bill
Illegal Immigration (Offences) Bill
Human Trafficking (Child Protection) Bill
Human Rights and Responsibilities Bill
House of Commons Whips (Transparency) Bill
Hospital (Parking Charges and Business Rates) Bill
Homes (Fitness for Human Habitation and Liability for Housing Standards) Bill
Homeless People (Current Accounts) Bill
Holiday Pay Bill
High Speed 2 Phase 1 (Reviews of Public Expenditure) Bill
Healthcare (Local Accountability) Bill
Government Departments (Abolition) Bill
General Election (Leaders? Debate) Bill
Freedom of Information (Extension) Bill
Free Trade (Education and Reporting) Bill
Foreign Nationals (Criminal Offender and Prisoner Removal) Bill
Employment Opportunities Bill
Employment and Workers' Rights Bill
Electoral Candidate (Age) Bill
Drone (Regulation) Bill
Deregulation Bill
Civil Partnerships, Marriages and Deaths (Registration Etc.) Bill
Child Safety (Cycle Helmets) Bill
British Broadcasting Corporation (Oversight) Bill
Border Control Bill
Benefits and Public Services (Restriction) Bill
BBC Licence Fee (Civil Penalty) Bill
Bat Habitats Regulation (No. 2) Bill
Supply and Appropriation (Main Estimates) Act 2017
Refugees (Family Reunion) (No. 2) Bill
Carbon Emission Reductions Bill [HL]
Automatic Electoral Registration Bill [HL]
Property Boundaries (Resolution of Disputes) Bill [HL]
Kew Gardens (Leases) Bill [HL]
Genocide Determination Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Mixed Sex Couples) Bill [HL]
Unaccompanied Asylum Seeking Children (Legal Advice and Appeals) Bill [HL]
Modern Slavery (Transparency in Supply Chains) Bill [HL]
Cosmetic Surgery (Standards) Bill [HL]
BBC Licence Fee Bill [HL]
Awards for Valour (Protection) Bill [HL]
Road Traffic Offenders (Surrender of Driving Licences Etc) Bill [HL]
Heritage Railways and Tramways (Voluntary Work) Bill [HL]
Elections and Referendums (Advertising) Bill [HL]
Abortion (Disability Equality) Bill [HL]
Right to Die at Home Bill [HL]
Opticians Act 1989 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Marriage Act 1949 (Amendment) Bill [HL]
Learning Disabilities (Review of Services) Bill [HL]
Digital Economy Act 2017 (Amendment) (Definition of Extreme Pornography) Bill [HL]
Victims of Crime (Rights, Entitlements, and Notification of Child Sexual Abuse) Bill [HL]
Schools (Mental Health and Wellbeing) Bill [HL]
Policing Resources Bill [HL]
Certificate of Loss Bill [HL]
Voting Age (Reduction) Bill [HL]
Extension of Franchise (House of Lords) Bill [HL]
Cohabitation Rights Bill [HL]
Access to Palliative Care Bill [HL]
Abortion (Foetus Protection) Bill [HL]
Local Housing Authority Debt Bill [HL]
BBC (Independence) Bill [HL]
Anonymity (Arrested Persons) Bill [HL]
Family Relationships (Impact Assessment and Targets) Bill [HL]
Ecumenical Marriage Bill [HL]
Duchy of Cornwall Bill [HL]
Divorce (Financial Provision) Bill [HL]
Criminal Records Bill [HL]
Civil Partnership Act 2004 (Amendment) (Sibling Couples) Bill [HL]
Children Act 1989 (Amendment) (Female Genital Mutilation) Bill [HL]
Bat Habitats Regulation Bill [HL]
House of Lords Bill [HL]
Succession to Peerages Bill [HL]