[Football] Sir Nick Clegg ?

[BBassic]

You picked up the typo.

But you ignored the point. Perhaps you are a hypotwit.

I laughed at that more than I should have.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I do like you HWT but your knowledge of our legal system is diabolical. The referendum was nothing but advisory. It is very simple. That is the law. But the government rightly decided to act on it given the weight they put behind the referendum. But you know all of this, you just choose to forget. And btw they are making such a mess that staying in is the right option now

Ha! I was being disingenuous. I know prfectly well it was advisory. I simply wanted to make my point (that we don't have to commit suicide by leaving on bad terms, and that a third referendum - with 'all eyes open' - is perfectly allowable) without the likes of PPF (or Ppf) etc smirking that the Brexit result is binding. Apologies for the legerdemain. Apologies also if I double posted - I thought the post you quote was deleted by my fat finger yesterday, so I rewrote and posted again.

All the best

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Worth reading Owen Jones in the Guardian:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...thood-nick-clegg-george-osborne-britain-elite

Basically he says a Clegg knighthood is typical of the way Britain rewards failure.

Yes. And how me and my mates have been laughing that a work colleage received an MBE recently. 'For services to himself' was the knee jerk response. We reposit our micro CVs in various places, dtailing our research interests and involvcement with learned societies. His just lists his company directorships

As for Clegg, yes, whether you love him or hate him, he has done the square root of **** all, and the one chance he had (to stand his ground over tuition fees) he ****ed up, costing his party all its credibility for a generation. "We are opposed to the genocide of Jews"....."We have agreed to join Mr Hitler's coalition in order to keep it in check"...."We argued against, but for the sake of the coalition, and in order to keep those nasty lefies at bay, we agree to the manufacture of Xyclon B". FFS!!!!!

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I have no issue with Clegg getting a knighthood.

Yes tuition fees was a disaster and one that he could and should have avoided. However raising the tax earning limits, pupil premium, free school meals for early years and key stage 1 were all noble causes. Dont forget he also got a referendum on proportional representation and held up pro tory boundary changes because conservatives had reneged on reforming the house of lords

That's a bit like saying that our centre forward failed to score any goals this season (in contrast with what he promised when we signed him) but he did lots of nice passing, was great in training, and organised the Christmas part for the staff and their partners.

 

[ROSM]

That's a bit like saying that our centre forward failed to score any goals this season (in contrast with what he promised when we signed him) but he did lots of nice passing, was great in training, and organised the Christmas part for the staff and their partners.

Thats a bit harsh. All those things were in the lib dem manifesto. The one thing they failed to deliver was tuition fees amd its the thing he will always be remembered for....not what he did achieve

 

[rocker959]

Would not give him the pickings of my nose .

 

[Stat Brother]

I think history will look back favourably on Clegg once the Brexit clusterf*ck has fully played out.

Thank you Mr. Clegg for putting a 5 -year brake on Cameron and the rest of his Tory f*ckwits.

He just about sums the establishment up. A liar and a self serving *****.

Bizarrely enough I think both statements are true.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

As for Clegg, yes, whether you love him or hate him, he has done the square root of **** all, and the one chance he had (to stand his ground over tuition fees) he ****ed up, costing his party all its credibility for a generation. "We are opposed to the genocide of Jews"....."We have agreed to join Mr Hitler's coalition in order to keep it in check"...."We argued against, but for the sake of the coalition, and in order to keep those nasty lefies at bay, we agree to the manufacture of Xyclon B". FFS!!!!!

I often enjoy your posts but this is tendentious. Given the direction of travel of voting patterns in 2010, Clegg was right to prefer a coalition with the 'up and coming' Tories rather than be seen to be propping up the tired and fading Labour Party. Yes, he had been wrong to make a promise before the election that saw him boxed in after it and more than once he was outfoxed by his (vastly more powerful) partners in power. His parliamentary support for the government provided stability at a difficult time; an immediate stability that no other course would have provided. The Tories' mistake was to target the Lib Dems in 2015 - it gave them a majority after the GE but saw the moderating influence of Clegg's Liberals destroyed.

Whatever your view, to compare Nick Clegg with a gas chamber facilitator does you no credit.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Ha! I was being disingenuous. I know prfectly well it was advisory. I simply wanted to make my point (that we don't have to commit suicide by leaving on bad terms, and that a third referendum - with 'all eyes open' - is perfectly allowable) without the likes of PPF (or Ppf) etc smirking that the Brexit result is binding. Apologies for the legerdemain. Apologies also if I double posted - I thought the post you quote was deleted by my fat finger yesterday, so I rewrote and posted again.

All the best

 

[rippleman]

Thats a bit harsh. All those things were in the lib dem manifesto. The one thing they failed to deliver was tuition fees amd its the thing he will always be remembered for....not what he did achieve

When you make an issue like tuition fees one of your key policies and this gets so much media attention, when it turns out that you have told a bare-faced lie to the electorate, you are probably going to be remembered for it!

Huzzah for the students and the electorate in general in Sheffield Hallam for kicking the lying scumbag out of his seat. He deserved nothing less.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Who in this case is bang on the money.

No, Own is just just a self promoting no mark who isn’t right to call him out. Clegg rose to deputy PM of this great country and held power for 5years. He upset many on the student fees and was politically inside but I have yet to see a PM or deputy who doesn’t divide parts of the population.

 

[alfredmizen]

And David Davis MP ?

a bloke who is nothing like nick clegg who was.raised in an extremely privileged environment , david davis comes from a single parent family and lived on tbe same south london council estate that i did

 

[5ways]

I always liked him.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

When you make an issue like tuition fees one of your key policies and this gets so much media attention, when it turns out that you have told a bare-faced lie to the electorate, you are probably going to be remembered for it!

Huzzah for the students and the electorate in general in Sheffield Hallam for kicking the lying scumbag out of his seat. He deserved nothing less.

There is a danger of tickbox demonising here. To be a lie, an untruth has to be deliberate. The LibDems signed the pre-election tuition fee pledge in good faith, but they were naive to to so. Given the pre-election mathematics they should have realised that there was a possibility, however unlikely, of entering coalition government with the Tories. This prospect came to pass and in order to reach agreement they had to swallow the bitter and (for Clegg) humiliating pill of accepting the senior partner's tuition fee policy. It's what happens in coalitions but you have to look at the wider picture. There were other Downing Street battles the LibDems won that most people except those on the right of the Tory Party would approve of.

You may be pleased that Sheffield Hallam has a new MP. Some would say that the present incumbent looks a pretty dodgy character when compared to his mild-mannered predecessor.

 

[Lincoln Imp]

a bloke who is nothing like nick clegg who was.raised in an extremely privileged environment , david davis comes from a single parent family and lived on tbe same south london council estate that i did

I'm sure you wouldn't want to claim that people should be judged by the circumstances in which they were brought up.

 

[Hampster Gull]

a bloke who is nothing like nick clegg who was.raised in an extremely privileged environment , david davis comes from a single parent family and lived on tbe same south london council estate that i did

He must be ok because he lived on the same estate as you, don’t work like that

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I agree with @Lincoln Imp.

 

[RexCathedra]

It's a shame you all slating a man whose ego is, after all, one of the very few man-made objects visible with the naked eye from the International Space Station.

Better a Deputy PM with no principles than a boutique-party chief with them, I guess, even if your party is subsequently reduced to an SNP-sized rump. (Or are there two SNP's, the second being the Somerset Nationalist Party?)

 

[seagulls4ever]

There is a danger of tickbox demonising here. To be a lie, an untruth has to be deliberate. The LibDems signed the pre-election tuition fee pledge in good faith, but they were naive to to so. Given the pre-election mathematics they should have realised that there was a possibility, however unlikely, of entering coalition government with the Tories. This prospect came to pass and in order to reach agreement they had to swallow the bitter and (for Clegg) humiliating pill of accepting the senior partner's tuition fee policy. It's what happens in coalitions but you have to look at the wider picture. There were other Downing Street battles the LibDems won that most people except those on the right of the Tory Party would approve of.

You may be pleased that Sheffield Hallam has a new MP. Some would say that the present incumbent looks a pretty dodgy character when compared to his mild-mannered predecessor.

There is absolutely no excusing how the Lib Dems so blatantly misled those who voted for them. And they have deservedly paid the price for it. Their manifesto pledged to abolish tuition fees - fine, they were in a coalition, so they cannot do this. However, they could have simply kept things as they were, instead of tripling tuition fees and all the problems that came with that (which were obvious at the time, but are now getting media attention).

Let us not forget how they went around the country before the election and signed an NUS pledge reading “I pledge to vote against any increase in fees in the next parliament and to pressure the government to introduce a fairer alternative”. All 57 of those elected signed this pledge. 21 kept their promise.

All the parties have not kept pre-election promises. The Lib Dem one sticks in the mind because it was one of their main policies and aimed at the young who were more likely to vote for them. They misled their voters. Tuition fees should have been one of their red lines. The reason they are deservedly remembered for it is because they so blatantly said one thing before the election, and did the complete opposite afterwards.

Someone who misled their voters like that should never be awarded a Knighthood.

 

[seagulls4ever]

Dont forget he also got a referendum on proportional representation

No he didn't. He got a referendum on AV, which isn't PR. He wanted a referendum on the single transferable vote system, but the Conservatives wouldn't give him it, so he had to settle for a referendum on AV which is not PR. A referendum which was always going to be lost because pro-PR voters didn't want it, and neither did pro-FPTP voters. Had AV gone through, it wouldn't have had much difference on election outcomes. That's just another one of his failures.