[Cricket] 3rd Ashes test: Aus vs Eng at the WACA

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I rather liked that

 

[Bold Seagull]

What are the chances of changes before the next test? If so what are the options? Could phone CPS and ask for an update on Stokes or the selectors could bite the bullet and just include him.

Overton will be out with his cracked rib, even though he was probably the pick of our bowling. I think you have to play Stoneman and Vince because we cannot just judge them on an Ashes tour when so many others have also failed. Malan has obviously done more than enough. Hardly going to make a difference either way dropping Moeen or Broad.

 

[Gwylan]

The grass roots cricket in state schools has been supported by "Chance to Shine" - I coached on this programme for 6 years - it's target was to get schools feeding local clubs, an introduction to the next level. It was also curriculum based [the PE lesson] so specifically designed to attract females. The women's game, esp at International level, is now very strong - e.g. we are the ODI world champions.
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It sounds great in theory but, in practice, the schools aren't interested. My club tried to get involved but only got responses from two local schools and they petered out for lack of interest. The trouble is that schools have enough to do with planning lessons, filling in paperwork and, increasingly, parental duties - to try to fit in sport as well is a massive headache.

There's a similar problem with rugby. The authorities recognise that the sport is dominated by privately-educated kids and is really trying to engage other pupils but, it's a similar story to cricket - a lack of interest from schools.

It doesn't help that cricket is not on terrestrial TV - although after the horror show of the last few weeks, perhaps that's just as well.

 

[Bold Seagull]

It sounds great in theory but, in practice, the schools aren't interested. My club tried to get involved but only got responses from two local schools and they petered out for lack of interest. The trouble is that schools have enough to do with planning lessons, filling in paperwork and, increasingly, parental duties - to try to fit in sport as well is a massive headache.

There's a similar problem with rugby. The authorities recognise that the sport is dominated by privately-educated kids and is really trying to engage other pupils but, it's a similar story to cricket - a lack of interest from schools.

It doesn't help that cricket is not on terrestrial TV - although after the horror show of the last few weeks, perhaps that's just as well.

Cricket is a bit different to rugby though (other than the obvious). Like football, rugby doesn't need a lot of equipment. Few cones, a ball and some grass, and you can play a rugby game, set up training etc. etc.

Cricket is expensive for schools, especially for secondary where they're playing hard ball. They need a wicket, stumps, bats, balls, pads, gloves etc. etc. all for a sport they can pretty much only put on outside for the summer term at most, or sports hall net sessions if they have them. Football and rugby also keeps annoying kids involved and participating. A load of kids waiting to bat, or getting bored fielding because the ball hasn't come to them for 20mins isn't necessarily what a PE teacher wants when trying to engage an entire class.

Where private schools exceed state schools isn't in curriculum PE, it is after school where those that love cricket will have a coach there everyday.

 

[BensGrandad]

What a pathetic interview given by Root on the ITV news. What planet is he on?

 

[Bold Seagull]

What a pathetic interview given by Root on the ITV news. What planet is he on?

I agree. He seems to be deluded that we've competed and just missed out on some key moments. I'm really worried about him as captain, because if he cannot see this as a hiding, then not sure how he is going to take the side forward.

 

[Gwylan]

I suspect this is more to do with the faster scoring rates at Test level now. An innings of 400 can be completed before lunch on the second day now. I seem to remember us achieving it in one day during the 2005 series.

That's true but there were better over rates a few decades back too. It was pretty standard to bowl 110 to 120 overs a day until fairly recently.

It's significant that of the five occasions when a batsman has scored a century before lunch on the first day, only one was in the last 40 years. And remember that Bradman scored 300 runs in a day (and wasn't batting at the start of it). Scoring rates are generally faster but not that much faster

 

[BensGrandad]

I agree. He seems to be deluded that we've competed and just missed out on some key moments. I'm really worried about him as captain, because if he cannot see this as a hiding, then not sure how he is going to take the side forward.

Quote from him "it is not as if we have been outplayed" He is one that has not reached his normal standard. If we could have swapped him for Smith we would have retained The Ashes.

 

[Gwylan]

Cricket is a bit different to rugby though (other than the obvious). Like football, rugby doesn't need a lot of equipment. Few cones, a ball and some grass, and you can play a rugby game, set up training etc. etc.

Cricket is expensive for schools, especially for secondary where they're playing hard ball. They need a wicket, stumps, bats, balls, pads, gloves etc. etc. all for a sport they can pretty much only put on outside for the summer term at most, or sports hall net sessions if they have them. Football and rugby also keeps annoying kids involved and participating. A load of kids waiting to bat, or getting bored fielding because the ball hasn't come to them for 20mins isn't necessarily what a PE teacher wants when trying to engage an entire class.

Where private schools exceed state schools isn't in curriculum PE, it is after school where those that love cricket will have a coach there everyday.

That's very true and something that needs to be addressed. But the issue we had was with primary schools so just stumps, soft balls and bats were needed. If we can't get them interested at 8 or 9, we'll have no chance at 11 or 12.

 

[BensGrandad]

That's very true and something that needs to be addreEssed. But the issue we had was with primary schools so just stumps, soft balls and bats were needed. If we can't get them interested at 8 or 9, we'll have no chance at 11 or 12.[/QUOTE

IMHO it goes back to the views of the ILEA and similar do gooders who stopped competitive sport in school in the 70s or 80s because it wasnt fair on those that were not good enough for the team

 

[Cheshire Cat]

There are only two things we need to improve -

Batting

and

Bowling.

 

[Simster]

There are only two things we need to improve -

Batting

and

Bowling.

You've forgotten fielding. We seemed to put down what chances we were given including a comically bad drop in Adelaide.

 

[BensGrandad]

The good thing that has come out of this is the Aussie coach we have says he is the man to lead us to better times.

 

[dazzer6666]

Quote from him "it is not as if we have been outplayed" He is one that has not reached his normal standard. If we could have swapped him for Smith we would have retained The Ashes.

Nah we wouldn’t....still wouldn’t be able to bowl them out twice.

 

[BensGrandad]

Nah we wouldn’t....still wouldn’t be able to bowl them out twice.

But we may have got 5 draws and retained The Ashes we needed a Geoff Boycott or Chris Tavare to bat for 2 days even with out making a big score. Mind you a Cook of 8 years ago would have helped with what we had.

 

[dazzer6666]

But we may have got 5 draws and retained The Ashes we needed a Geoff Boycott or Chris Tavare to bat for 2 days even with out making a big score. Mind you a Cook of 8 years ago would have helped with what we had.

Not many draws in test cricket these days, let alone 5 in a row.

 

[knocky1]

IMHO it goes back to the views of the ILEA and similar do gooders who stopped competitive sport in school in the 70s or 80s because it wasnt fair on those that were not good enough for the team

A novel viewpoint. The ILEA and the GLC are to blame.

 

[DJ NOBO]

But we may have got 5 draws and retained The Ashes we needed a Geoff Boycott or Chris Tavare to bat for 2 days even with out making a big score. Mind you a Cook of 8 years ago would have helped with what we had.

Batsman of that type and quality don’t exist anymore. It’s frustrating but not surprising. Young cricketers know the money is in 20\20. As much of a concern is the total lack of quality spinner. I would have taken rashid.

 

[Perry Milkins]

What's done is done, but I honestly believe a 26 year old Stokes in his absolute physical prime might have given the Aussies a torrid time on these pacy wickets. He is fast, aggressive and gets reverse swing, and his fielding is electric.

Is he that quick?

 

[BensGrandad]

A novel viewpoint. The ILEA and the GLC are to blame.

Other authorities then followed suit. When I was lad playing football for Holy Trinity school we had a local league but no more. Many on here run young boys teams, do they still have competitive leagues and that is just football without the likes of cricket rugby and basket ball etc.