[Politics] Brexit

[Baldseagull]

As conspiracy theories go it's pretty thin. The Moggster has been motivated by a lifelong love of UK parliamentary sovereignty and opposition to anything that threatens this I doubt the latest EU tax proposal makes a blind bit of difference to him. If you know different or can name any of his friends that have offshore accounts that would be impacted by the EU proposals and have contributed to the Leave campaign then I'm prepared to change my view. The biggest single contributer to the referendum campaign was Lord Sainsbury ( for Remain).

On the wider issue of tax avoidance, I was interested to hear from the Head of the IFS on the Daily Politics recently that the Government have introduced over a hundred different measures/regulations on closing loop holes/ tax avoidance recouping £10 Billion.

And made overt threats to set up a tax haven on the edge of the EU if we don't get a deal.

 

[shingle]

Here's the full interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xIpjA6dol8

 

[BadFish]

Here's another 'thicky' that voted to leave

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHBXL4fIOE

The vote is done, there's no going back

The vote is done, i just hope that the leadership is there to get the job done effectively.

 

[Spicy]

Shame the vote was "Out" then, decision made, end of ......

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I had always felt that Brighton supporters are more enlightened and educated than your typical football fan. This backs up my theory.

Brighton fans are gifted with more than the usual amount of commom sense.
Brighton fans were heavily in the Remain Camp for the referendum.
Obvious really - simples!

But the Brexiters will rise to it all......

 

[Notters]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...-league-fanbase-favour-brexitand-fans-regret/

 

[alfredmizen]

You wouldn't guess by the loudmouth minority on here though.

Im prettty sure peple who voted out are the MAJORITY ?

 

[Notters]

I voted to stay but now the way the European Bureaucrats are treating this country I am changing my mind.
They seem to want punish us to stop anyone else leaving yet they want us to defend them.
They will soon have more problems with Spain.

I know people that voted to remain and now want out for the same reason.

There was me thinking it was completely the other way round. The EU has a clear process yet our government are stalling and fannying about like anyone's business because they don't actually know how to make it work (mostly because it can't).

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

I voted to stay but now the way the European Bureaucrats are treating this country I am changing my mind.
They seem to want punish us to stop anyone else leaving yet they want us to defend them.
They will soon have more problems with Spain.

Theresa May "got it" when in one of her recent speeches (was it the Florence one?) she talked about "fulfilling our obligations". If we were just to walk away from it all, does anybody actually think that other groups or countries would welcome us with open arms in terms of trade deals. We would be seen as flaky in terms of international trade, our national credit rating would probably suffer and we would be in danger of being left isolated.

If the boot was on the other foot, we would be up in arms if another country was effectively telling us to stick it and was just abandoning any idea of doing it properly.

 

[oneillco]

Funny how the Remoaners still use the "We're smarter than you" line.

Every one I speak to still has no idea why we voted to leave and love to jump to the racism/xenophobic conclusion.

I'm just quoting the demographic research that was done after the referendum; I quote:

"The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census
The age of voters was also important, with older electorates more likely to choose Leave"

 

[oneillco]

Of the 28,000 Brighton fans in the Amex on match day how many I wonder actually live in the city?

Probably about the same proportion as any other Prem club apart from Man U obviously; and it's well known that most Leicester fans mainly live outside the city. Anyway, if a large proportion of Albion fans live outside B&H it makes the poll result even more interesting. I believe that around 69% of B&H residents voted Remain but 81% of Albion fans. Interesting...

 

[alfredmizen]

I'm just quoting the demographic research that was done after the referendum; I quote:

"The data confirms previous indications that local results were strongly associated with the educational attainment of voters - populations with lower qualifications were significantly more likely to vote Leave. The level of education had a higher correlation with the voting pattern than any other major demographic measure from the census
The age of voters was also important, with older electorates more likely to choose Leave"

Ever thought that might be because theyre most affected ? In the competition for social housing, other resources like healthcare etc and more importantly wage compression ? Or are you just going to stick to your view that they voted out because theyre too thick to realise the benefits that large scale immigration from the accession countries has brought to erm, the middle classes who want cheap builders , nannies , car washers and people to hand out free newspapers and magazines.

 

[nicko31]

Here's the full interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xIpjA6dol8

Aaron Banks answer to Breibart, gives senile Skinner a voice at last.

Meanwhile SMMT this morning records 6th straight drop in cars sales, drip, drip, drip................

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Again, I was talking about odd-ball Euro sceptics and freakoids in The Conservative and Unionist party like Neil Hamilton and that Rees-Mogg creature, not mainstream big business people like Lord Sainsbury or the more normal mainstream majority of The Conservative and Unionist Party.

If I can name people that have offshore accounts and would be impacted?! I suppose you'd like Friday's Euro Millions numbers while I'm at it and Lord Lucan's address in Botswana too?

It's not really a conspiracy theory though, it would impact on all sorts of unscrupulous freakoid, Euro sceptic odd-balls like Rees-Mogg, who with his inherited wealth made on other peoples misery, Russian business involvements, links to the offshore magic money tree forests and all the rest of it is frankly as dodgy as **** as well as being a complete ****. He must know plenty of other like minded odd balls. Perhaps his Russian friends might get impacted too?

It has been mentioned before openly, and I've read it in a few places and there may be nothing in it but I can understand your disdain that some of heroes may not have played with a straight bat, like their public schools taught them too.

(A hundred measures that have raised £10 Billion though?! Wow, that's less than 1 months NHS budget! There's only £1 Trillion supposedly holed up in the just the murky British Virgin Islands alone. I'm sure it's all legit - I'll ask my MP all about all if you like - she knows all about 'tax efficiency' schemes in The Caribbean magic money tree offshore forests for the benefit of her 'clients' )

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After starting off with a general dig at the Tories which didn't work for the reasons I gave you changed tack giving specific examples of 'Euro sceptic odd-balls' notably the Moggmeister. I (wrongly) assumed this was based on some sort of evidence rather than the usual prejudices.

Shirley you can provide a link to a revolutionary approved source like the Morning Star or The Canary?

It's a conspiracy theory if you haven't got or can source any reliable evidence. I wonder if Jezza played with a straight bat when he was enjoying his private schooling.

 

[oneillco]

Ever thought that might be because theyre most affected ? In the competition for social housing, other resources like healthcare etc and more importantly wage compression ? Or are you just going to stick to your view that they voted out because theyre too thick to realise the benefits that large scale immigration from the accession countries has brought to erm, the middle classes who want cheap builders , nannies , car washers and people to hand out free newspapers and magazines.

OK I accept that as a reasonable point. But these same less educated people are likely to be the ones who suffer most in a post-Brexit Britain when all those fantasy trade deals with the rest of the world fail to materialise, the economy falters, and the Tories are unhindered by EU law to really put the boot into workers rights and social care.

 

[ManOfSussex]

Has she broken the law?

Amber Rudd? She's dodgy as ****. Here's a few for starters:

She's been a director and a corporate adviser to several firms which were liquidated, owing millions in debt including to the taxman, one of which didn't seem to do anything at all. One of her co-directors at one of them was jailed for 18 months for making a misleading, false or deceptive statement or forecast. One of her other firms was owed money by a third party company at the point of liquidation in the form of a loan that was never paid back as an asset to the receiver. Wouldn't you just know it - that firm was owned by Amber Rudd too.

She's been director to 2 Bahamas registered firms of which she has never clarified her tax position with.

She had links to a Russian company on an unlisted exchange that was allegedly up to all sorts.

She ran a family firm that her late father remained a shareholder on despite being declared unfit to be a company director. He was paid fees for 'respect of financial consultancy and public relations advice' though. Like you do.

Never seen a poster put up in Hastings about her that wasn't true.

 

[ManOfSussex]

After starting off with a general dig at the Tories which didn't work for the reasons I gave you changed tack giving specific examples of 'Euro sceptic odd-balls' notably the Moggmeister. I (wrongly) assumed this was based on some sort of evidence rather than the usual prejudices.

Shirley you can provide a link to a revolutionary approved source like the Morning Star or The Canary?

It's a conspiracy theory if you haven't got or can source any reliable evidence. I wonder if Jezza played with a straight bat when he was enjoying his private schooling.

Why not just Google it yourself Tory boy? - https://nolanjazimreg.wordpress.com/2017/05/22/tories-gruesome-brexit-deception/

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Most Albion fans are Remainers, poll shows

Most Palace fans are Remainers, poll shows ... most Sussex residents are leavers the referendum showed. (I think that's how it's done)

 

[Baldseagull]

you referring to WTO or EU? we dont elect members to the government of EU, only the parliament, that has no say on such matters as tariffs. yes, we have a superior agreement with EU currently, at the expense of an inferior agreement with the rest of the world. rest of world is larger than EU, rest of world is growing more than EU. do you see why some think that maybe we're better to be out, i mean at least recognise where the argument is coming from?

We also elect the British member of the EU Council, it is our Prime minister. Except when the party of Government has a change of leader I suppose, then we get whoever they choose to be their leader, at home and in the EU. The Council then nominate a President for the Commission, and the EU Parliament we elected, votes to elect the President. The President then picks his commissioners, like our Prime minister will pick her cabinet, without us being able to choose if Boris Johnson should or should not be anywhere near it, but commisioners are chosen for their ability to do the job, not just to try and keep them inside the tent pissing out, rather than out and pissing in.
Whilst the Commission is the only body that can propose laws, it listens to the Parliament and the Council and will propose laws that reflect the concerns of those. Unlike a UK political party manifesto, which promises things that they think will get them elected, the Commission proposes law that it feels make good sense for all, not populist ideas that offer no real benefits, just to garner votes.


The reason the rest of the world is growing faster, is the same reason kids grow faster than adults, they are mostly developing nations, whereas the EU is developed.
Generally, developed countries have a bit more cash to spend, but there is indeed a large and growing consumer class in India and China with money, but they make cars just as well and at lower cost there, make generic drugs cheaper there, and will most likely increase their positive balance of trade with us, i.e. we will increase our trade defecit. Any deal we do will have to have a benefit for the other side, so what will be the areas that India and China want greater access to, that we also don't mind them having greater access to?
The EU is down the path a way in negotiating better terms with much of the rest of the world, we may be able to catch up by virtue of having less varied industry to maintain and ensure is not badly damaged by any new deal we do, but it is a real concern that if we are in a rush to get deals done, not enough due diligence will be taken and poor deals will be done.
There is a reason our biggest food exports are to France and Ireland, it is possible to milk a cow in England and sell the milk in a neighbouring country, try doing that with India or China.

 

[Baldseagull]

As I'm sure that they are trying to get Amazon to pay back to Luxembourg. But the fact remains that these deals were done to bribe global corporations into setting up business in their countries to the exclusion of others. How much benefit will any of the other member states get from this? I just hope that none of our contributions are going to either, and that the money recovered is spread evenly between all the members - I won't be holding my breath though.

Work is ongoing in this area in the EU, if only certain members were not so concerned with allowing the EU to set some tax rates, we could maybe already have had it in place.