Should the voting age be raised?

[sussex_guy2k2]

Its unfortunate that many around that age and many more who are generally uninformed will vote based on rhetoric, slogans or party propaganda, or based on personality over substance, they will believe empty promises and vote accordingly.

There are many on here who may have a different more hard left political view to me, but thats a perfectly acceptable and principled position for those that argue for their position and understand it.

I wonder what % of any voters truly know the history of various parties, what they actually stand for or whether they can deliver what they actually promise.

I'm guessing nearly every individual would in life believe in Labour type social justice policies but those on the left disregard or ignore the fact the country simply cannot afford them, high debt and deficit means pain at some point and interest payments (which are higher than the education budget) is a road to nowhere. I also guess most people actually manage their own lives more like a fiscal conservative. Whilst some will struggle with maxed out credit cards and loans, most if they earn 1000-2000 per month live within those means and if they use the credit card a bit have a plan to pay it back, they dont buy everything they wish for, stacking up huge problems in the future that will require painful sacrifices or bankruptcy. Running down your finances today as in running down the economy may bring temporary highs but it is not any platform for sustained purchasing of anything.

If only the Lib Dems weren't so pro Europe, they have an excellent balance of social justice and fiscal competence. Wheras Labour have social justice and fiscal incompetence, and the Tories fiscal competence and lack true social justice. Unfortunately the economy, which affects everyone and everything must always come first. If it doesnt everyone pays with cuts. Everyone should understand this, nothing is for free.

I think many around that age vote based on ideals as they're generally unaffected by life's many concerns. Really, many of them vote for what they believe to be the best future, unabashed by societies many faults. I envy them that ignorant bliss and wish I could vote with such hope.

FYI, an excellent post. I've voted Tory for most of my life for essentially the reasons you've explained, even if I've lived my life by leftie principles outside of my economic preferences. Although, disgusted by the development of this election and by the two main parties, I actually voted Lib Dem for the first time because of what they stood for and because of their pro-Europe stance.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Hopefully it won't be long before the new generation take back some form of control and deal with the mess generations before us have left us in.

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[GloryDays]

There was a huge momentum for the commies on my fb. One woman said she'd voted for the reds based on another blokes rants. You couldn't make it up.

That's politics isn't it? Were the rants true?

 

[BadFish]

Hopefully it won't be long before the new generation take back some form of control and deal with the mess generations before us have left us in.

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Yep, let's hope they do a better job than the others have done.

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[Sussex Nomad]

That's politics isn't it? Were the rants true?

I have no idea what is true regarding politics nowadays.

 

[NooBHA]

I agree the Tories campaign was not up to date, and the labour party IMO exploited the young and they are so easily influenced.

I once was seeing a Raquel Welch lookalike, she promised the earth to look at, but when it came to the whole picture, she was like talking to a wall.

Like i said at 18 aren't we all so gullible[/QUOTE]





LOL LOL LOL

There was a pensioner on TV the other day who was asked who she was voting for and she said Theresa May. Asked why she replied. ''I don't know but she always dresses nice''.

Now there's ''gullible'' for you.

 

[Horses Arse]

A very apt username. Maybe people like you could make me change my mind and say that young people shuoldn't be given the vote. Run along, Mummy's calling with your milk.

I have to say that your strong and stable arguments are really bringing me round to your way of thinking.

I hadn't considered mummy's milk. You are right of course. We should ban breast feeding mothers from voting too. After all, they're the cause of all these sodding young people that dared to vote.

How dare they.

Thanks for your comtinued support.

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[Horses Arse]

Well that hit a nerve.

Thats Daily Mail readers for you. Outraged. Absolutely outraged.

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[symyjym]

Should it be 16

Some 16 year olds who are into politics are quite clued up and others aren't interested. A 16 year old who is inspired to vote should be allowed to and the ones who aren't wont bother. Maybe set it to passing a minimum total of 6 GCSE's or some other number to allow a 16 yo an early vote.

 

[Jim D]

I have suggested an aptitude test for voting.

Nice, I can see that working......
Q1 a nice man with a grey beard (might be Santa) offers to cancel all your student loan and make sure you don't pay any more. Would you vote for him?
Q2 an old woman with grey hair and a long nose (could be a witch) tells you she will take your grans house away and make your grandad sleep on the street just because gran got a bit unwell. Would you vote for her?

 

[larus]

I agree the Tories campaign was not up to date, and the labour party IMO exploited the young and they are so easily influenced.

I once was seeing a Raquel Welch lookalike, she promised the earth to look at, but when it came to the whole picture, she was like talking to a wall.

Like i said at 18 aren't we all so gullible[/QUOTE]





LOL LOL LOL

There was a pensioner on TV the other day who was asked who she was voting for and she said Theresa May. Asked why she replied. ''I don't know but she always dresses nice''.

Now there's ''gullible'' for you.

I know we disagree on our voting intentions, but I also saw a program from the old Chubb factory in the West Midlands. There was about 6-7 people with the interviewer. One was an old lady, I guess in her late 60's/early 70's and she was a Tory voter, but was not able to articulate any sensible reason for voting that way. There were a couple of younger voters who'd voted (one Labour the other Tory) and they both had valid reasons for their decisions.

What I find amusing is the fact that for years we're even told that Labour votes are altruistic and Tories are selfish, yet it takes the promise of saving £27k to get more Labour voters. Of the irony . BTW, I have no problem with their reason as it makes perfect sense from their perspective, but it so undermines the constant levels of vitriol aimed at the 'nasty, selfish' Tories.

 

[Jim D]

Old enough to get killed fighting for your country. Old enough to vote.

So ISIS supporters should be able to vote at age 10 then?

 

[worthingseagull123]

Maybe voters should be limited to those paying income tax.

Should kill off the Looney Left

 

[Grombleton]

Maybe voters should be limited to those paying income tax.

Should kill off the Looney Left

And all the big businesses conveniently not paying much tax...who seem to favour the Tories.

 

[NooBHA]

I know we disagree on our voting intentions, but I also saw a program from the old Chubb factory in the West Midlands. There was about 6-7 people with the interviewer. One was an old lady, I guess in her late 60's/early 70's and she was a Tory voter, but was not able to articulate any sensible reason for voting that way. There were a couple of younger voters who'd voted (one Labour the other Tory) and they both had valid reasons for their decisions.

What I find amusing is the fact that for years we're even told that Labour votes are altruistic and Tories are selfish, yet it takes the promise of saving £27k to get more Labour voters. Of the irony . BTW, I have no problem with their reason as it makes perfect sense from their perspective, but it so undermines the constant levels of vitriol aimed at the 'nasty, selfish' Tories.

The majority of people vote to benefit themselves. Tory and Labour so in that regard they are all selfish votes. The difference being that Tory Voters are less likely to be people from the more vulnerable parts of Society. Not all I grant you but for the most part they are.

For instance, how many disabled or unemployed will have been voting Tory ?

 

[D'Angelo Saxon]

Should stop the old voting rather than the young. We've all seen that the old don't give a shit about the young (aside from their own) whereas the young DO care about the old.

 

[Wardy's twin]

So ISIS supporters should be able to vote at age 10 then?

don't think they agree with voting.....

 

[GT49er]

Just for the record, the age of voting isn't the issue. The issue is the system we have that doesn't take account of all peoples' views. The issue is that we don't have mandatory voting in this country. And the issue is that we don't educate people enough about what they're voting for.

In reality, there are a lot more politically knowledgable 18 year olds than you give credit for.

Much reasonable and sensible comment there.......

I'd argue, there are probably more of them than he over 65 crew whose only interest is their pension and how well the NHS can look after them, and f-the rest of society.

...............and then you spoil it all by spouting this sort of crap.

 

[carteater]

No, and you wouldn't have even considered asking it had they all voted Conservative and they won a majority on Thursday night.
Sour grapes, sheer sour grapes.
I don't sit there saying people over 65 shouldn't vote because they don't work anymore (and they mostly vote Tory) do I?

That said I don't think it should be lowered to 16 either.

 

[NooBHA]

Maybe voters should be limited to those paying income tax.

Should kill off the Looney Left

Nicolae Ceausceau in Romania once said the very same words that he was willing for Romanian People to have a say in the running of the country but only those working would be able to vote. And look what happened to him. So you are correct . The ''Looney Left'' were killed off.