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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?


  • Total voters
    1,081


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Actually,I was a bit quick off the mark saying the EU would trade with anybody.Wonder what a lot of the embargoed countries have in common?

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studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,645
On the Border
Oh sweet Lord what has that got to do with anything? I am not for one moment denying that you want out of the single market. I know that, you know that, everyone in Sompting probably knows that.

The issue is that you had dismissed as 'speculation' a claim that there is a difference between leaving the single market and staying in it. This seemed odd because of course there is a difference. My post 29729 gave you an opportunity to clarify your view. Instead you go off on one about people not reading posts properly. That may have won you the Irony of the Week award.

Usual tactic misreads a post answers a completely different question than the one posed then rants on and on about how he has already answered the question, you just don't like his answer or its his opinion.

Comical really but effectively doesnt like being proved wrong
 






Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
19,726
Eastbourne






Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,659
The Fatherland


Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting
So a question for the Remainers.
Why should the Leave voters take any notice of your "predictions", when we had months of you harping on about this "expert" said this and that, only to find out that the end of the UK was not nigh.
The "experts" changed their tune, so you now target more doom.
Why should we take any notice of you posters that were so gullible pre and post referendum.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,322
All I know is there's a lot more downside risk in the short / medium term than upside.

you might be right, but isnt the point of risk to evaluate what the risk is, the likelihood and the impact? if the risk is small but likly, it maybe thats acceptable. claiming a 20% decline in GDP is just a nonsense, meaning either you dont know about the real risks or dont care and would rather be deliberately provocative. so you then build an image of people taking "wreckless risks", when no one is.

and in amongst all the bravado about how terrible it will be, i note only one responce on the question of what would be acceptable to lose in Brexit. so are remainers completely against any form of exit, any type of reform? maybe the vocal are, and the silent ones are just getting on with the business of making the best of leaving Europe.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum


studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,645
On the Border
So a question for the Remainers.
Why should the Leave voters take any notice of your "predictions", when we had months of you harping on about this "expert" said this and that, only to find out that the end of the UK was not nigh.
The "experts" changed their tune, so you now target more doom.
Why should we take any notice of you posters that were so gullible pre and post referendum.

How about answering questions rather than asking them
 




lawros left foot

Glory hunting since 1969
Jun 11, 2011
13,728
Worthing
So a question for the Remainers.
Why should the Leave voters take any notice of your "predictions", when we had months of you harping on about this "expert" said this and that, only to find out that the end of the UK was not nigh.
The "experts" changed their tune, so you now target more doom.
Why should we take any notice of you posters that were so gullible pre and post referendum.

Errm, because we haven't left yet, and won't do for another 2years at least. Osbourne etc predictions of a collapse of the western world was obviously hyperbole, but, then so was the £350 mil per week for the NHS,and the EU free land of milk and honey, claimed by the leave camp. As I said when this debacle was initiated, it will take at least five years after we leave for the full extent of leaving to take effect.
Whether we end up as winners or losers is in the lap of the Gods.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,322
On a serious note it beggars belief that these Tory MPs walked out. If they had issues they should have tried to resolve them.

you really think its normal to expect a committee to vote on and agree to a report they haven't seen? i wonder if the "walk out" is just dramatic license for adjournment.
 






Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting
Errm, because we haven't left yet, and won't do for another 2years at least. Osbourne etc predictions of a collapse of the western world was obviously hyperbole, but, then so was the £350 mil per week for the NHS,and the EU free land of milk and honey, claimed by the leave camp. As I said when this debacle was initiated, it will take at least five years after we leave for the full extent of leaving to take effect.
Whether we end up as winners or losers is in the lap of the Gods.

Fair enough, obviously the tune changed when the Remainers realised that the prophecies stated would happen straight away, were not going to happen.
So we have a new timetable now.
So why should we believe this new target.
 


Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum


CHAPPERS

DISCO SPENG
Jul 5, 2003
44,790
I would think that sort of attitude would trigger a quick 'Up yours,Delors' moment.But as it's in the Grauniad,& full of the usual caveats like 'it is understood' and 'it is reported',complete with quotes attributed to nonentities,it's just their usual page-filling tosh.

Gianni Pittella is a non entity?
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,322


Yoda

English & European
If you took the time to read my posts answering multiple questions, you would see that last night I stated I wanted out of the single market.

Sorry, genuine question, and sorry if you've already stated, but why do you want to leave the Single Market with the advantages we get from tax free trade and our largest customer with the potential that a trade tax could be put in place making our exports more expensive and less appealing and out imports also more expensive (the fall in Sterling is doing a great job at that already) causing our own inflation to rise even more?
 


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